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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Nov 16, 2006 - 11:22pm PT
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Hi Gang,
It seems that the powers at RC.com have been convinced to fix the links. So Pete, Kate, and others should be back online shortly, hopefully.
Best, Kim
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 16, 2006 - 11:24pm PT
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Praise the Lord and pass on the Traxion. Pete's legacy is intact. King Kong lives!
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 17, 2006 - 12:04am PT
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Hahahaha .....
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 17, 2006 - 12:35am PT
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Uh, it's actually "Praise the Lord and pass the pitons," Mimi. Did I say how many beers I owe you?
"I would pay money to see the FIRST EVER case where someone actually discussed something with Pete face to face instead of posting it online."
Me too! Truly, it has never happened!
For instance, I have been waiting for years for at least two people who have posted on this thread to come up and introduce themselves to me, and talk to me face to face instead of writing stuff on the internet about me, but alas neither has done so, despite my repeated requests. They will tell you that they have met me, which I don't doubt is true since I am fairly visible, but at the time we met they did not reveal to me who they were, and hid behind their anonymity until such time as they could return to their computer and type more stuff about me.
..I see Ricardo is cutting down on his dot count..
..now if only he can find his Shift key ..
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 17, 2006 - 12:39am PT
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Let's start with one and see where it goes.
Cheers,
Mimi
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 17, 2006 - 12:40am PT
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I know EXACTLY where that'll go! [Two beers, three beers ...]
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Hangerlessbolt
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Nov 17, 2006 - 12:56am PT
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I'm tellin' ya, Pete...there's money to be made here
I'll introduce myself as Rob aka Hangerlessbolt
It'll be good times.
What's your schedule?
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Loom
climber
The Whiteboard Jungle
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Nov 17, 2006 - 01:17am PT
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I don't have anything nice to say, so I should say nothing; I don't want to be mean. But whenever I read any of Pete's helpful advice all that I see is ME ME ME ME ME ME ME! It is so transparent it just irks the hell out of me.
"'I would pay money to see the FIRST EVER case where someone actually discussed something with Pete face to face instead of posting it online.'"
"Me too! Truly, it has never happened!"
Bullshit Pete.
I was sitting there in El Cap meadow while we all drank my cheap red wine a few years ago. Klaus and Minerals were giving you plenty of sh#t right to your face about the poor style of your ascents, and about what a self-promoting whore you are.
I must say though, that I walked away half impressed and half appalled at how nothing they said seemed to faze you. You kept your good humor through all the insults while you fell all over yourself shamelessly trying to get Klaus to let you use his name (and rep so you'd have more credibility) as co-author to an article he had nothing to do with, that you wanted to write for one of the rags.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Nov 17, 2006 - 01:19am PT
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^^ pretty funny ^^
my impression of pete over the last several years has been that he has made substantial efforts to cleanse his reputation online (including posting and later deleting said posts demanding that i remove any comments implying that he was ever accused of anything creepy or smarmy), and the idea that anyone searching for info would only find "that was all just BS and PPPtP is just a sweetheart" posts and not any true accounting of what really did bother plenty of real people, that idea has always bothered me. one could argue that anyone would want a clean rap sheet, but in the case of someone who has been accused of repeated and regular creepiness wrt women online, i think in general, it's important to keep that information present and available, whether or not bygones are bygones.
therefore, to those of you who say that it's been awhile since you really thought that any posts by pete were problematic, i'd have to respond that you might not be doing some new-climber-2-B any great favors by letting stuff from a year or 2 ago be just water under the bridge, and as for you guys who paranthetically add that you wouldn't leave him alone w/ your daughter, i'd remind you that every girl is someone's daughter...
additionally, any website that were to publish his beta/info and make his "email me and come meet me and learn stuff" a part of their business plan would be, IMO setting up a pretty significant pandora's box right there by their bedside.
show me someone who acts creepy and then just decides not to act creepy, and i'll show you someone who acts creepy when they think they can get away with it- show me someone who stops acting creepy because they have found gawd and i'll show you someone who acts creepy when they think they can get away with it.
no offense pedro, that's just my view of the world, best of luck to you.
oh, and i'll buy my own beer, thanks.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Nov 17, 2006 - 09:13am PT
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Yeah, Loom nailed it. You can get all in Pete's face, and shout till you're blue, but nothing ever sinks in. And I know exactly the feeling of apalled admiration, where you have to admire the indominable spirit of one who can dismiss the opinions of others, no matter how valid they are...
But he's got Jesus, so he's going to heaven no matter what else he does, and the rest of us aren't. Thank God for that.
IMO the root of all the "creepy" allegations stem from a 'take', not 'give' or 'share' attitude towards sex.
And while I'm rolling, how morally deficient was it to steal from Chongo? That's what it was when you cashed those checks from the rags for the tech write-ups.
All the crap that happened on the Muir made me pretty mad, but the way he talked about it online, and the self agrandizing lies made me want to give him the .308 kiss. So I tried to tell my (our, there was three of us vs. him) side of it, but most refused to listen. Finally, Tim just said to me, "Just let other people find out for themselves. Sooner or later someone's going to get killed. It won't be us." And for the record, the knot was not the only issue, that was just the cherry on the shyte sundae. It would take two cases of beer and eight bundles of firewood to get through the whole story. But the bullet points are: water, oatmeal, whiskey, porn, hauling, slack, rope, pitons, coffeemate, steak, organization, respect, lying, incompetance, and hypocracy.
It's a good story, it could be a movie. We decided that Harvey Firestein should play Pete. Chuck Norris as Tim. Rob Zombie could be Tad. Too bad Sam Kinison is dead, he would have been perfect to play me...
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Nov 17, 2006 - 09:44am PT
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"Rob Zombie could be Tad."
Feckin hilarious.
Got contact info on that guy?
Way to call it like you see it and not let the Taco lapse into another happy feely lovefest as has been the norm of late.
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elcapfool
Big Wall climber
hiding in plain sight
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Nov 17, 2006 - 11:29am PT
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I'm pretty sure Rob lives in LA, or did you mean Tad?
Blow- do I know you? I get the feeling I do.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 17, 2006 - 11:41am PT
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ECF, one long winter day when you're in the mood, please write up the Muir story. I'm sure it would be a gem; both hilarious and educational.
All you have to do is take a look at PTPP's posted systems and excess to see that chaos rules. No wonder he's pals with and defends the WOS clowns.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2006 - 12:59pm PT
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I will say that on a brief perusal of Pete's post-move RC threads the one thing that really stands out is how remarkably improved they are as a result of the coversion having removed all the idiosyncratic and egocentric text formatting. If Pete had edited and formatted the koran and bible religion wouldn't be half the problem it is because no one would be able to read the damn things let alone quote them relentlessly. This material should definitely be salvaged though - there's gold in them thar hills...
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Nov 17, 2006 - 02:21pm PT
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Hi Pete-
Personalities aside (I still recall your merciless heckling at my slide show in the Mountain Room years ago), it's clear that you are the quintessential geek (and I mean that in a good way) when it comes to the latest gear and techniques of the big stones.
Personally, I'm not interested in profit from bigwalls.net, but if there was to create incentive for you to help with the repositories of information on my site, especially getting the Wall Wiki up and organized, let's talk some more.
Problem is, I truly dislike advertising (I tried google ads for a while), And I want to keep the site open to all, because a LOT of the traffic on my site (from the daily emails I receive) are from big wall climbers from other countries.
Any other ideas? Let me know.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 17, 2006 - 03:11pm PT
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Hey John,
Any heckling I could have produced that night positively paled next to the All-Time Big Wall Heckling Tag Team of Bill Russell and Walt Shipley. Those guys were truly the Tatler and Waldorf of the big wall world. Without doubt, that was the most fun I ever had at a climbing slideshow. Fall 1996, if I recall correctly.
It's not that I'm looking to make money per se, it's just that I'm trying to achieve some type of compensation for the enormous amount of work such a venture would require. Which is why I kind of like the idea of getting back on RC.com and editing my stuff, which I figure will be hugely quicker and easier than moving it.
For instance, one thing I'd like to do would be make an ultimate El Cap beta page, something that doesn't exist anywhere, but which I was trying to help create at RC.com. Since El Capitan was their #1 most visited climbing area page, for a while I was beginning to succeed. Since then the thing has fallen into utter disrepair, because no one with intimate knowledge of the place has fixed it. I could fix it in a couple days.
But sure, I'm always open to ideas. Last year, Theo = Ahwahnee Bartender worked really hard to set up a website for me, and I started working on moving stuff, but it took me so darn long to rewrite and edit stuff, I started to lose interest. I felt bad to disappoint Theo. I probably still owe him a wall, or at least a few beers.
I do receive compensation in Yosemite on a very regular basis, however. On Grey Ledges this fall, I helped a couple guys [who had read my stuff] re-rig their pigs, and fine-tune some of the clusterf*ckage in their hauling system. "If there's anything we can do to return the favour, Pete, just let us know...."
"Why yes, as a matter of fact..."
When I got down, there was both Sierra Nevada Porter and Hornsby's apple cider waiting for me at the Ahwahnee. Thanks, guys!
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Nov 17, 2006 - 03:14pm PT
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Capz, I meant Tad.
Zombies # would be cool to tho.
We might've met, like all internet keyboard superhero's, i'm pretty unremarkable and easy to not notice IRL. Namewithheld to protect the guilty but you could look on the email addy for this profile.
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
the Southwest
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Nov 17, 2006 - 03:38pm PT
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Pete-
Maybe we can work out a beer for posts arrangement. I have a brewer friend in town, one of my fellow city council members...
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Nov 17, 2006 - 03:46pm PT
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All be ye scum or not scum questions aside, if you do anything for ratcatchers.com wihtout getting paid, you are an idiot.
They are in it for the money, and why they should get money while you work for free is a question for them to answer.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 17, 2006 - 03:47pm PT
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Now yer talkin', Midds. Everything is negotiable with Dr. Piton. Does your mate make stout or porter?
[Frig - another thread about Pete approaches 100 posts. Don't you guys ever get tired talking about me? Even I'm getting bored with me any more. I'm simply not as exciting nor controversial as I used to be.]
However, thank you all for your interest in preserving my stuff at RC.com! It is not lost, it is merely "in transition". They've changed their coding in their forums so many times, the links are all busted and you're forced to suffer through all the html coding that's in the way. Perhaps we can find a way to work together to fix it all.
Cheers,
Pete
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