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no_one
Social climber
Hurricane, Utah
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Oct 13, 2006 - 06:59pm PT
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"If bad luck outed the worst in all of us, the headlines would not likely be rosier."
Well said Karl.
Aint that the truth! Takes a humble man to admit that.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:05pm PT
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To play devils advocate just a little more:
I see Doyle's style are merely imitative of the the kind of "in your face pinko" talk that comes from some of the right wing talking heads (O'Reilly, Coulter?) Jody does it too sometimes. Naturally it's irritating when your on the opposite side of this kind of school yard bully talk.
On the other hand, when I'm going off on my partisan side, I can't say that I've managed to avoid everything but "Just the facts." Naturally those who agree with me aren't bothered. but...
I'm just trying to learn as many lessons as possible from the example that somebody else is paying for so I don't have to pay as hard myself.
These are troubled times. Let's keep arguing, even getting pissed off, but keep trying to understand each other.
As for the sexual harrassment on the net issue. It's a big one and with no easy answers. There are folks who go too far and need to be stopped. There are folks who go a bit far and are welcomed. and there are folks that seem like they are going too far simply because the ladies don't want em going anyway. You have to be close to the situation to make the call and I'm in no position to do so.
Peace
Karl
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maculated
Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:08pm PT
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I just saw this thread. I'm sorry that I did.
We're all so quick to judge when we think we have the facts. We don't. It's all well and good to point and jeer at someone who will likely never see it. I'm sure he's already having a tough time of it now, I don't see the point in continuing that here. Don't kick a dead dog.
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Gene
climber
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:11pm PT
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Well said, Maculated.
Just as disturbing as what is alleged is the glee in which some have already tried, convicted and executed the individual.
Ready. Fire. Aim.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:16pm PT
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The link posted by the OP was for a newspaper article back in 2003 - it would appear from the below notice that he is back in business at this time and one would hope he has learned his lesson. But given the rationale of the OP relative to why they outed him - continuing questionable behavior towards women - it would appear that any such hope would be sadly misplaced.
I'm with Karl relative to compassion, but when someone does not take even harsh lessons to heart and continues in such behavior, well, then I think warning women who climb of this behavior is more than warranted...
To: All Providers
From: CareFirst of Maryland, Inc. Medicare Part A
Date: November 15, 2004
Subject: OIG Sanctioned and Reinstated Providers for September to November 2004
Doyle Leroy Tarwater
Emergency Medical Specialist
Effective Date: September 20, 2004
Sanction Type: 1128a3, 1128a4
*1128(a)(3) Felony conviction relating to health care fraud
*1128(a)(4) Felony conviction relating to controlled substance violations
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:19pm PT
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Gottasay the knight-errant aspect goes a long way toward justifying this. Though most women climbers I know are more than capable of dealing with that kind of crap on their own.
Also explains the whole religious line of BS. Soooo typical.
And hey, Healy, if you've managed to get through life without runing into a complete idiot with a medical degree, well, you've been real lucky.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:29pm PT
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c#m-bye-mothafunkin-ah...
true enough that if some guy was posting all about climbing, or motorcycles, or mac's vs. pc's, then i don't see behavior such as this as significant- we all may or may not have our own dirty laundry, and on the internet it's just a bunch of strangers.
doyle is different because he posts such virulent right wing stuff w/ such regularity. the fact of the matter is that "law and order" is one of the (supposed) tennets of the whole right wing 'personal responsibility' angle (although personal enhancement and enrichment is by far more truthful and accurate wrt what "their" truest and deepest motivations typically turn out to be). in that way, this particular dirty laundry is germaine to the persona that he has established on ST.
personally, sure, i have some empathy for the guy, but as far as the sh#t he has chosen to type around here, the gig is up and i am smirking loudly.
wtf, what comes around goes around pal, it's not as if he ever held his own tongue on anyone else's behalf.
all that said, servicing a pain medication seeker is a huge and obvious no-no in the health care industry, and is arguably more serious than it sounds- and i would also question why the cops were stinging the guy in the 1st place, there is no reason to assume this is/was an isolated incident.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:31pm PT
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Well said, Maculated.
Just as disturbing as what is alleged is the glee in which some have already tried, convicted and executed the individual.
Ready. Fire. Aim. "
I didn't try, convict and execute him. Neither did Anachronism.
A jury did. Or, he plead guilty. Either way, not my call. It's been settled by people brighter than me.
And as anachronism pointed out this isn't about his past, it's about his present. It's about his present creepiness and continuous insulting. If he doesn't want a public scolding, then perhaps he shouldn't behave like a jerk publicly.
Perhaps he should have considered that when he chose to break the law a few years ago.
He is NOT a victim.
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John Vawter
Social climber
San Diego
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:35pm PT
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Fattrad sez: "The only thing the Foley incident proves is that groups of individuals will attempt to protect their own. Would climbers in the valley start informing on other climbers concerning OB camping, drugs, etc. ?"
drug abuse = pedophilia?
Wrong question. Would climbers in the valley start informing on other climbers who sent sexually explicit messages to minors?
Damn right they would. A few incidents here in the recent past spring to mind.
10/14/06 Edit for clarity. The part of fattrad's post I responded to and my response are off topic.
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cintune
climber
Penn's Woods
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:44pm PT
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He's a victim of his own weakness and arrogance. Deep down a lot of people who pull this kind of sh#t want to get caught for reasons buried way down in their childhood or other formative experiences.
Thirty-six, twenty-four hips about thirty
I seen a fine lady and I started talkin' dirty
Boy, she looked over at me and she raised her thumb
She said: "Jam down the road, you bum-ba-bum-bum"
I'm a wino man
Don't you know I am?
I went to the country
And while I was gone
I lost control of my body functions
On a roller-headed lady's front lawn
"I'm so ashamed, but I'm a wino man
I can't help myself."
-Zappa
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 13, 2006 - 07:53pm PT
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I don't know? You guys are really roasting this guy over the coals.
I remember once my teacher telling me the story of the police man who was very mean to the subjects that he arrested. He told the police man that if he mistreated the arrested subjects that he would suffer the same fate also one day.
Be careful .........
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 13, 2006 - 08:10pm PT
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Werner, I have a 17yo daughter and both she and my wife unfortunately have to deal with "creepiness" on a far more regular basis than you might guess. Again, when someone doesn't get the message on this sort of behavior then it isn't unreasonable that folks be aware of it however cruel the vehicle may seem. We have so much "creepiness" about partly because such individuals are rarely confronted and called on it.
I agree with Karl and with others that this is unfortunate in all respects that it is happening within our community here, but again if the OP is to be believed than it's climbers being subjected to the behavior however capable the women here are of taking care of themselves.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:06pm PT
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Fortunatly - we can all stand back and toss stones while this guys charged, conviceted, tried and hung in 1 swift motion - as in his life is ruined.
As far at this little tidbit quote which follows: and recognise that I have a 20 year old daughter:
"Perry later told Tarwater she would have sex with him in exchange for a stronger prescription of Percocet."
WTF? Huh? I bet this chick is hot. Hell, which guy here wouldn't have sex with her? How many doctors could resist?
I'd so kick my kids ass up one side of the street and down the other if she pulled this kind of crap.
WTF happened to personal responsibility?
"Oh, I guess I gathered the Peyote off dem catus myself, but dey were on BLM land but they didn't stop me or warn me dat I would get a buzz - so - oh, I guess it's their fault!" Yup, dats da BLM's faoult I'm gonna have to sue as there was no warning signs."
Hmmm, yes, the BLM is so at fault for your issues! Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh whatever.
BTW, not letting MM off the hook either, but it sounds like entrapment to me. If he's enabling weak people - and feeding into drug habits - thats bad news. BUT, it's for a jury to look at real, vs internet or other evidence.
Wouldn't matter to me if the gfuy is a holier than thou Christian, I'd want him to have the same rights as the rest of us. His life is ruined either way.
My opinion.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:13pm PT
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...yeah, and it's the kid's fault when a pervert can't help themselves from molesting them because the little one "flirted," too....
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:15pm PT
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Wait a minute? There were no minors involved in MM's case?
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:17pm PT
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It's not what happened harpiegirl. Not at all.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:23pm PT
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Werner - it's an analogy.
Couchmaster - We have one small news article to base "what happened." We don't really know "what happened." However - it's a pretty safe bet that any doctor presecribing painkillers for recreational use isn't doing it for the extra income of office visit payments.
Someone earlier suggested that a doctor doing what was done is "worse" than we might think. I guess they are saying it goes beyond the pale in ethical code within the field.
Just like a teacher "should" know that some students will flirt with them to get better grades, and that if/when that ever happens to them, they don't act on the "well, they're hot!" feelings....They act professionally. It is the same thing.
edit: Harpiegirl? An innocent typo, or wordplay intended to insult?
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Loom
climber
The Whiteboard Jungle
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:27pm PT
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Why'd anyone go to MM for vicodin when you can get it from one of C-Mac's new ads.
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anachronism
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Oct 13, 2006 - 09:48pm PT
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Not sure where the idea there are minors involved came into play.
There were NO minors involved - nothing i posted even eluded to that. Nothing in the articles state that.
It might have been entrapment which is why he could plee. But before the entrapment they did nail him for Insurance fraud and a few other nice things doctors shouldn't do (In my opinion, of course).
I am making nothing up regarding the women to which I refer (though to protect ID's I have left out some not important facts/items). That might approach libel and no way am I going there. Just the facts, ma'am.
I'm asking around - I know of two women for sure that didn't/don't like his approach - there are two more I'm attempting to get "the rest of the story".
Reading his posts makes my skin crawl. I'm scared for this nation and this planet because of people like him. His posts get under my skin - I won't deny that is in part the motivation. But when my friend told me of his "approach" it made my skin crawl even more.
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NeverSurfaced
Trad climber
Someplace F*#ked!
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Oct 13, 2006 - 10:08pm PT
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So wait a minute, you're telling me the red M&Ms casue cancer and the green ones make you horney?
What's any of this have to do with pill-popping minors?
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