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Fish Finder
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Damn
you cant catch a break either way
Great Idea
dont know why a handful of the good people are whining about stopping the handful of bad seeds
A frozen thread that burns in your belly can be re-started until its frozen again. (they whined, when it was deleted and now they are whining that you are saving them by freezing)
Stopping the pattern of ranting on (Copy Paste)of issues that the administration does not feel represents their forum ,well, just seems like a smart move
people who are eliminated can come back with another avatar
Patterns will be noticed
we will finally understand how stupid it is to get upset or hateful over black type on white screens
I commend you for how you handle this entire group of denizens in YOUR WEBSITE**
I enjoy the Gear Reviews Please dont freeze those
Thanks ,Chris
Best,Gregg
EDIT: Thank you for creating this community!
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Fish Finder
climber
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" all we are saying is ....................give peace a chance"
you better check yourself
before you wreck yourself
its amazing how entitled people are here
they act as if its their forum and should be run the way they want it to
Urban dictionary
forum
Best described as a torrent of little children running around in a minefield (users), some armed with weapons (moderators), forums are the flagship of internet discussion, spam, and flame wars.
Smaller forums tend to be more habitable, but the larger ones have many distinct and similar features. For example, within approximately seven seconds of the creation of a topic, you will have at least one reply, garunteed. Large forums also tend to spawn makeshift caste systems within themselves, and you're automatically a malefactor in the forum until you have a 4-digit post count.
A forum can sometimes be helpful, but normally they become a time consuming and frustrating thing if you pay too much attention to them.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby
A Georgia Folktale
retold by
S.E. Schlosser
Well now, that rascal Brer Fox hated Brer Rabbit on account of he was always cutting capers and bossing everyone around. So Brer Fox decided to capture and kill Brer Rabbit if it was the last thing he ever did! He thought and he thought until he came up with a plan. He would make a tar baby! Brer Fox went and got some tar and he mixed it with some turpentine and he sculpted it into the figure of a cute little baby. Then he stuck a hat on the Tar Baby and sat her in the middle of the road.
Brer Fox hid himself in the bushes near the road and he waited and waited for Brer Rabbit to come along. At long last, he heard someone whistling and chuckling to himself, and he knew that Brer Rabbit was coming up over the hill. As he reached the top, Brer Rabbit spotted the cute little Tar Baby. Brer Rabbit was surprised. He stopped and stared at this strange creature. He had never seen anything like it before!
"Good Morning," said Brer Rabbit, doffing his hat. "Nice weather we're having."
The Tar Baby said nothing. Brer Fox laid low and grinned an evil grin.
Brer Rabbit tried again. "And how are you feeling this fine day?"
The Tar Baby, she said nothing. Brer Fox grinned an evil grin and lay low in the bushes.
Brer Rabbit frowned. This strange creature was not very polite. It was beginning to make him mad.
"Ahem!" said Brer Rabbit loudly, wondering if the Tar Baby were deaf. "I said 'HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING?"
The Tar Baby said nothing. Brer Fox curled up into a ball to hide his laugher. His plan was working perfectly!
"Are you deaf or just rude?" demanded Brer Rabbit, losing his temper. "I can't stand folks that are stuck up! You take off that hat and say 'Howdy-do' or I'm going to give you such a lickin'!"
The Tar Baby just sat in the middle of the road looking as cute as a button and saying nothing at all. Brer Fox rolled over and over under the bushes, fit to bust because he didn't dare laugh out loud.
"I'll learn ya!" Brer Rabbit yelled. He took a swing at the cute little Tar Baby and his paw got stuck in the tar.
"Lemme go or I'll hit you again," shouted Brer Rabbit. The Tar Baby, she said nothing.
"Fine! Be that way," said Brer Rabbit, swinging at the Tar Baby with his free paw. Now both his paws were stuck in the tar, and Brer Fox danced with glee behind the bushes.
"I'm gonna kick the stuffin' out of you," Brer Rabbit said and pounced on the Tar Baby with both feet. They sank deep into the Tar Baby. Brer Rabbit was so furious he head-butted the cute little creature until he was completely covered with tar and unable to move.
Brer Fox leapt out of the bushes and strolled over to Brer Rabbit. "Well, well, what have we here?" he asked, grinning an evil grin.
Brer Rabbit gulped. He was stuck fast. He did some fast thinking while Brer Fox rolled about on the road, laughing himself sick over Brer Rabbit's dilemma.
"I've got you this time, Brer Rabbit," said Brer Fox, jumping up and shaking off the dust. "You've sassed me for the very last time. Now I wonder what I should do with you?"
Brer Rabbit's eyes got very large. "Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me into the briar patch."
"Maybe I should roast you over a fire and eat you," mused Brer Fox. "No, that's too much trouble. Maybe I'll hang you instead."
"Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please," said Brer Rabbit. "Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."
"If I'm going to hang you, I'll need some string," said Brer Fox. "And I don't have any string handy. But the stream's not far away, so maybe I'll drown you instead."
"Drown me! Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please," said Brer Rabbit. "Only please, Brer Fox, please don't throw me into the briar patch."
"The briar patch, eh?" said Brer Fox. "What a wonderful idea! You'll be torn into little pieces!"
Grabbing up the tar-covered rabbit, Brer Fox swung him around and around and then flung him head over heels into the briar patch. Brer Rabbit let out such a scream as he fell that all of Brer Fox's fur stood straight up. Brer Rabbit fell into the briar bushes with a crash and a mighty thump. Then there was silence.
Brer Fox cocked one ear toward the briar patch, listening for whimpers of pain. But he heard nothing. Brer Fox cocked the other ear toward the briar patch, listening for Brer Rabbit's death rattle. He heard nothing.
Then Brer Fox heard someone calling his name. He turned around and looked up the hill. Brer Rabbit was sitting on a log combing the tar out of his fur with a wood chip and looking smug.
"I was bred and born in the briar patch, Brer Fox," he called. "Born and bred in the briar patch."
And Brer Rabbit skipped away as merry as a cricket while Brer Fox ground his teeth in rage and went home.
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raymond phule
climber
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I doubt that this new rule together with the inconsistent banning and deleting of forum members and posts will do any good for the forum.
Why should people contribute to the forum when threads sometimes get locked and many interesting posts dissapear when someone get banned?
I don't really have anything about a moderated forum but this forum just became more and more random in its moderation.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Mighty Hiker.
Thought we'd see an ivory billed woodpecker before we saw a post from that necks of the woods.
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couchmaster
climber
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Well, I rarely checked into the Climate change forum, but am sorry I won't be able to see that exchange. I find things like that to be interesting and helpful towards helping formulating an intelligent opinion. Deleting a few folks like Crankster, who has never posted any climbing content that anyone is aware of and seems to thrive on being nasty and adversarial, would go a long way to help the cause. Whacking a post by posters who lay a personal attack on another would help, after 3 deletes of nasty posts, said poster gets banned (but the content remains). Thinking Coz's great climbing stuff being disappeared when he was axed the 2nd time.
Reading 2 smart but otherwise adversarial posters, like Ed H and madbolter1 go at it and NO personal attacks in either of their posts as they explain a divergent view with facts and figures, is one of the reasons I like it here. I would be sorry to miss that when an angry adversarial d#@&%e with no facts but plenty of opinion steps up and starts being nasty to someone thus the thread gets frozen. Which may be just what the nasty person is trying to achieve. I guess the good goes away with the bad. However, it's your site Chris, and there are a bunch of great things about it that the new policy won't affect, so that's good.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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I doubt that this new rule together with the inconsistent banning and deleting of forum members and posts will do any good for the forum.
I agree, and it's odd timing for Chris to claim "personal attacks" as a rationale to axe the climate thread now. Since the departure of The Chief a few weeks ago (most of whose 6,000+ posts seemed to be personal attacks) things have been relatively substantive there. And even at its worst that thread contained more actual science than the rest of ST combined. Quite a few posts involved discussion of just-published research papers, with contributions by people who have read them, tried to place them in context with other research, and sometimes even re-analyze their data. There were also some honest Q&A exchanges, like about how to reconcile confusing or seemingly contradictory new research findings. If you thought the thread was all personal attacks, you were skipping past the parts that weren't.
My last post there aimed to open discussion about wildfires, about which I'm currently doing some research and would have had more to say. TLP responded with an informative (to me) post about the contrasting frequency and evolutionary role of wildfires California's chaparral and conifer ecosystems. Malemute followed with links to four articles he found interesting, and the complaint that "Americans don't give a sh#t about their kids & grandkids" which of course set off some arguments about America, but then the discussion veered off to the very interesting topic of weather/climate connections -- disagreements but not a personal attack in sight from there until Chris ends the thread, cutting off the weather/climate dialog.
I don't really have anything about a moderated forum but this forum just became more and more random in its moderation.
That's my impression too.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, chiloe... say, hope you have, or can do, a forest thread, idea? folks could read what you had to share, there, if you could not get a chance to share that stuff yet...
trees and forest, are something that all climbers, worry about, especially in fire seasons...
edit:
was surprised that there was a froze-thread already, as ed and chiloe, mentioned...
not sure, but i think the epilepsy site, may have warned once, on a thread, that it would be closed/locked--so, i was just surprised, is all...
okay, onward, we all go, :)
on a new path...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Is the climate thread the first and only example of this new "policy" in action so far?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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The Why Are Republicans WRONG about EVERYTHING? thread has also been frozen.
Although I never clicked once on it (hint), I would not be surprised if the Gun Debate thread got a freeze job soon.
Somewhat understandable, looks like CMac wants to get back to the routes on this forum.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Yep....getting back to the routes will get ST back to it's roots.
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crankster
Trad climber
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^^^
THE BIGGEST problem with this forum, front and center. YOU and your guns, guns and more guns...Chris wants a forum that focuses on climbing, not the best caliber for shooting squirrels or why you support open carry or any of your other not-thinly veiled threats.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Yes indeed, thank you. Probably one of the primary reasons why many people have left the ST forum.
+1
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Probably one of the primary reasons why many people have left the ST forum.
Who are you thinking about when you say this? Most folks who no longer post, that I can think of, posted on all sorts of topics.
A forum is like a nuclear reactor - it needs enough mass to sustain the process.
+1
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Ironic isn't it ? The imagined, highly politicized and endlessly propagandized venutian hell of Climate Change Alarmists and profiteers has gone cold, frozen in fact, just like Earths increasing ice mass and prolonged NH winters which will become even more pronounced in the long minimum between Schwabe solar cycles 24/25.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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I get it, this is to become the new Climate Thread-bring on the yellow card Chris!
And to think CM will have to nuke his own thread.
Now that Jon Stewart is exiting we will have a new Comedy Central right here on ST..................
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Ed, your civility is an example for all of us and thanks for giving us the benefit of your science based insights.
It does seem that there is often worthwhile content on threads where some individuals have become bad mannered. It may be worth letting them know they need to become friendlier around the campfire to continue to be welcome and stay in the conversation.
If politics are important in your life then get involved personally and make a difference in this world. Develope a plan, get out there and do something to help the planet and it's inhabitants.
Good one, Lynne!
There's a guy I read about once who summed it up well...
" Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Matthew 7:20
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Urizen
Ice climber
Berkeley, CA
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Here in Las Vegas I should be able to find someone to make book on the day when this thread will be locked in the freezer.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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I think the political, science and social threads are fine. I personally have learned much about other's perspectives from them. When they degenerate into "You're wrong. No you're wrong", and then personal attacks.... that's a turn off.
Enjoy the day, it's the only one we have. Cheers and hope to see ya all at J.Tree.
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