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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Allons enfants de le banlieue,
le jour de sang est arrivé!
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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I believe what Hillary is trying to say is that if you don't understand the root cause of the problem, you can't fix it. The world does not work the way it did when we thought we can just go kick some a** and everyone would convert to Americas ideals as a result. Just ask Shrub. The world has not worked that way for a long, long time. But we still have a lot of morons that think the world is simple and all the good guys wear white hats and the bad guys wear black hats. This kind of simplistic thinking will never fix anything. On the contrary, is just makes it easier for people to factionalize the population so they can use them to their own ends.
Anyone who believes the root cause of Islamic extremists killing apostates and infidels is pure religious zeal is naive at best, and an idiot at worst.
Many are marginalized, poor, angry and sometimes insane people that are being whipped into a frenzy by other people with geopolitical agendas. The US has done this in many parts of the world by propping up petty dictators and turning a blind eye when they start torturing and killing all their political rivals or tribal enemies. They just did in the name of "democracy" instead of religion, and made sure it did not get plastered all over the front page by intimitating and killing anyone willing to try and expose it. These days it is harder to control the media because of all the new, accessable comm technology. In fact, just about anyone with half a brain can manipulate the media because they rarely fact check anything anymore in their rush to be first market in pursuit of the almighty $.
Islam is just the latest convenient justification for their heinous actions. Getting people to condemn Islam in general is exactly what they want, because it brings them more recruits and marginalizes more people. Some of you are being used by the very people you talk so much sh*t about. How sad.
Thus endeth the rant.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Anyone who believes the root cause of Islamic extremists killing apostates and infidels is pure religious zeal is naive at best, and an idiot at worst.
Pure?
Of course it's not pure, silly rabbit. Nobody thinks that.
It's a mix. And at the bottom of the mix is what? fundamentalist Islam. Read your Koran. Then imagine it your model for how the world really works. Eternal life in heaven. Angels and demons. Fire and brimstone. Angry God who expects you to smite infidels. Yes, many of your uneducated havenots have recourse to no other model, so Islam is all they have as default, and yes they really believe it - that's what fundamentalism means after all. But nice try.
Islam is just the latest convenient justification...
Classic.
Like you said, if you don't understand the root cause of the problem, you can't fix it.
Suggest you actually read the Koran, the root source of Islam. (Takes no more than a weekend by anyone w the interest.)
Getting people to condemn Islam...
Like Sam Harris said, Islam is criticized - or yes, condemned even - because it is "the lodestone of bad ideas." Ideas is the thing here. Not Arabs. Not Persians. Not brown people. (Who are some of the most handsome people in the world, btw.) But ideas. Read the scripture, then wake to this fact. Simply imagine yourself in place of your have-nots, take the words literally (just as the illiterate or uneducated would), then imagine how this would affect your conduct in the world over the course of your life beginning in your formative years. In other words, empathize.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Perhaps the saddest thing right now, is the 3 million, or so, Syrian refugees. The foreign aid workers, get captured and beheaded by ISIS, so there's no help there.
No country wants 3 million angry Muslims, most of all, any Muslim country, so there's no help there either. Earlier in my life, I remember a world more welcoming to war refugees.
The kids aren't even in school. The next generation of terrorists, is breeding right before our eyes.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Not to be outdone, ISIS, has sent Jordan a message. A message such as this, normally precedes an ugly event.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Condemnations by Muslim organizations. Good. It's about time.
It means Islamic Reformation (overhaul) is finally picking up speed. Of course it cannot roll out soon enough.
Acceptance of bio-evolution by 2050 would be a couple steps forward, I suppose. So would across the board acceptance of apostates (as opposed to half of Islam condoning stoning as proper punishment).
Thank the fates for our social media machine. People are talking. Everywhere. Around the world. Fundamentalist Abrahamic supernaturalism doesn't stand a chance - not Christian, not Islamic. It's ovah for jehovah. It's just a matter of time. (Sorry Fatty.)
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BREAKING!
Two God Warriors now in custody, one reportedly already in heaven (perhaps awaiting selection of virgins?)... More later...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Hopefully male virgins. Water buffalo male virgins.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jan 7, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
Hillary Clinton should shut her lying big hypocritical fat mouth.
She's criminal and you stoopid Americans want her as your POTUS.
She's been outed along with the other bitch Victoria Nuland as throwing the coup d’état in Ukraine killing many innocent people along with destroying that countries established govt.
You Americans and your fuked up stooopid media
Easily, the dumbest post of the year...any year.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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there is enough treachery, hatred violence absurdity in the average
human being to supply any given army on any given day
and the best at murder are those who preach against it
and the best at hate are those who preach love
and the best at war finally are those who preach peace
those who preach god, need god
those who preach peace do not have peace
those who preach peace do not have love
beware the preachers
beware the knowers
beware those who are always reading books
beware those who either detest poverty
or are proud of it
beware those quick to praise
for they need praise in return
beware those who are quick to censor
they are afraid of what they do not know
beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average
but there is genius in their hatred
there is enough genius in their hatred to kill you
to kill anybody
not wanting solitude
not understanding solitude
they will attempt to destroy anything
that differs from their own
not being able to create art
they will not understand art
they will consider their failure as creators
only as a failure of the world
not being able to love fully
they will believe your love incomplete
and then they will hate you
and their hatred will be perfect
like a shining diamond
like a knife
like a mountain
like a tiger
like hemlock
their finest art
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Religious extremists kill a dozen people and this forum vehemently looks the other direction.
Has the progressive echo chamber gone too far?
This event is terrible.
Deaths in Mexico are terrible.
Bolted cracks are terrible.
The topic of this thread is about the Paris massacre - so as there are other issues I should care about, this thread is devoted to THIS ISSUE.
The fact that other bad things are going on doesn't mean this isn't a bad thing.
I understand that there are racist people who would use any issue to grind a prejudiced axe against someone in another camp. I understand the need to knee-jerk praise and adulation among those who did nothing but may suffer some more persecution due to the actions of disconnected extremists.
Extremists acting in code with their book of law.
Two different interpretations of a holy book has been the cause of genocide and war for generations.
Sure, go on and say it's something other than what it is. Stick your head in the sand. It's warm and safe down there, I hear.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Someone at the paper made a decision to continue with the Muslim bashing after over a decade of threats, a gassing, and fire bombing the location of business.
Well they played the bluff and got offed.
Not surprised.
US tries to put a movie out bashing NK, threats to our theaters commence.
We shut it down.
Nobody was slain.
Common sense not freedom of speech will allow you a long life in that type of arena.
All of the death over cartoons.
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WBraun
climber
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Yep ...
Even Obama warned them years ago to stop bashing Muslims .....
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Yup, I was going to write a story about leaving my faith and how Christianity was a terrible ideology that led good people to do bad things. But, after receiving some negative emails on Facebook, I decided to delete the story and run a new one, "Great Christian Leaders."
I don't think you should ever express yourself if someone else won't like it. It's a bad idea and I don't want to live in a world where people do things like drench the Cross in Urine.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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(1) the paper made a decision to continue with the Muslim bashing...
(2) Yep ...
Yeah, there they are, two, back to back. I was wondering earlier by day's end how many there would be.
"They got it coming. You draw provocatively, you ask for it."
Sound familiar?
"They got it coming... You dress provocatively, you ask for it."
Blame the victim.
One more time in case you missed it, a bit more explicitly...
They're against rape but at the same time they say the girls shouldn't dress so provocatively. They're against public censure (eg in the name of progress, freedom of speech, liberal values, etc. ) but at the same time they say the artists / writers (aka "bashers") shouldn't draw or write so provocatively.
Blame the victim. (the expedient solution)
Sigh.
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Don't feel singled out though... Here's the great Bill Donohue (of Catholic leadership) pretty much channeling you...
Muslims are right to be angry.
http://www.catholicleague.org/muslims-right-angry/
... the timeless Catholic Christian wisdom we've come to expect.
In ref to another thread: Nothing "primitive" here. lol
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The zeitgeist is evolving though, thank goodness....
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated. You're right. That's some hateful stuff.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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but fatty, you left out the next line. How come?
and then further on, there is this pearl of wisdom...
"It is too bad that he didn’t (can't) understand the role he played in his tragic death." (You draw provocatively, you pay for it.)
Sound familiar?
"It is too bad that she didn’t (can't) understand the role she played in her tragic death." (You dress provocatively, you pay for it.)
"It is too bad that she didn’t (can't) understand the role she played in her tragic death." (You act provocatively by breaking the Sharia and attending school, you pay for it.)
"It is too bad that she didn’t (can't) understand the role she played in her tragic death." (You act provocatively by breaking the Sharia and driving a car w/o an attending male, you pay for it.)
Sigh.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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jb, you troll me like a little girl with a crush. Instead, why don't you tell the people what YOU stand for? for a change?
of course I'd respond but 90% of the time I can't make heads or tails of your post. So you have me there, congrats. You and WB are in your own little universe when it comes to these subjects. Enjoy.
jb writes...
"Education can be nascent to the individual. (You mean innate?)... the us against them saw in a direction predicated on thinking that is above what humans construct in their minds to make sense of their reality. That's theoretically nice but a hard sell at ground level. (the bigotry of low expectations?) ... Nothing High Corn has presented has changed my mind about him being a supposedly scientific thinker who loves to jump into an Abrahamic trench (huh?) of higher stupidity every time he feels threatened (huh?).
Case closed.
Beta: Perhaps you shouldn't let our past history make a further mess of your thinking on this important subject. Just a thought.
Bye now.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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There was no back-editing. Certainly not in regard to any meaning. I added your nonsensical post from the previous page. For context. For evidence. lol
You're a bullshitter, that's all. You thrive on bullsh#t.
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“Religion, a mediaeval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today. I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity. ‘Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion.’ Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.” –Salman Rushdie
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