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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Dec 21, 2014 - 03:23pm PT
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I only gave this thread a cursory read and can't ascertain the point. I will say Ed is a climber's climber and is a good guy to be around. He was more than willing to (and did) give his time to speak with me when I asked some professional advice, even though we only know each other casually through ST and Facelift. Great guy!
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2014 - 03:24pm PT
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I like the way this troll thread was turned into an appreciation thread.
Wear rosy glasses if you want to see a rosy world. You must be dizzy if you think you spun something around.
edit: dents in the fender of brand new car in the lot are noticed easily when you take the glasses off.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 21, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
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when Ed gets fed up -
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2014 - 04:35pm PT
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moosedroll,
good one! Yes, in some way I have taken a measurement and found out the locality of entangled particles.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
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That is, could Ed have respect for the deniers opinions and move on? We have yet to see this.
my dad used to say "respect has to be earned," and the "deniers' opinions" don't come close to having earned my respect... though I've worked through many of the papers they cite.
Sorry old boy, if you don't want to read my posts on the Climate Change thread, don't click on it... don't see how this has anything to do with you, and you missed the mark in your OP title, too, as I pointed out above in this thread.
As interesting things appear regarding Climate Change, I'll keep posting them to that thread... you don't have to read those posts. But I don't consider you to be the hall monitor for STForum either; in fact, you argued against hall monitors I believe...
maybe you should be less concerned about me and post up something of quality, you seem to be attracted to trolling when you are capable of posting some much higher quality content. It would be really great to see that.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 05:23pm PT
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To me, and I am the epitomy of internet assholiness, Ed seems one of the most educated voices of moderation on the Taco. He climbs a shitload, posts great TR's, and graces us with his intellectual thoughts. He never seems particularly belligerent, and offers lots of well researched insight on both the routes he does and the world around us. Ed Rocks! Never met the guy, but would rope up with him anytime. So hes got that going for him. Which is nice.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Dec 21, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
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97% of peer reviewed studies support the theory that Ed is a good dude. I know, I know, you're going to tell us that recent years have seen a hiatus in Ed appreciation. But the fact is, Ed appreciation over the last few years has been at record highs, just as the models predicted.
8^)
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
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Ed,
read me carefully--some subtleties here you missed. the line you site:
That is, could Ed have respect for the deniers opinions and move on? We have yet to see this.
was a statement about how the conditions your behavior would be proper if we were to apply on you the Roy Gomez [he says you are his friend] respect/prescription of when to move on from a topic. Note the Gomez respect/prescription was specifically applied to me by Gomez and I then suggested, why not apply it to Ed also..
But, ...respect for deniers opinion is not at all what I ask of you. In fact I ask very little of you except one clarification early on. Zen and Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. is an interesting tale about misunderstanding conditionals.
...let us Suppose...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 06:24pm PT
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Dingus... why troll?
Now with all that deportment bestowed on you, if your sound explanations don't ring with them what is the problem if it is not their dumbness?
You'd have to ask them, I suspect it is because they couldn't justify our collective energy production behaviors if we knew that it was so altering the climate. They feel that would be immoral, so they prefer to believe that the science is incorrect. The fact that they cannot show that doesn't seem to deter them from their position...
But why does this matter?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
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Ed,
Now with all .... was my question to gain a better understand your previous post's meaning when citing the dictionary post on the word "dumb".
Is it trolls or moles that make mountains out of ant hills?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
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Dingus... why troll?
A case of the pot calling the kettle black??
Now was't it you that started the thread about how from the ground up constitutes the best first ascent? And then deleted it??
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Dec 21, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
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Uh, nope; Ed doesn't troll; it's not his nature.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2014 - 07:22pm PT
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lol,
Mark
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 21, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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Ed as troll?
I repeat my earlier position:
This thread is dumb.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
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Now was't it you that started the thread about how from the ground up constitutes the best first ascent?
didn't say that... but that is what you read. And I believe you can still go an look at that thread if you want, you just can't post to it.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2432877&msg=2436661#msg2436661
if you thought it was a troll perhaps you should examine your reasons for believing so... it was no troll.
You could accuse me of being a polemicist, however, and make a very good case for it.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 21, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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Trawl dammit. The word is trawl.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Dec 21, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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Well certainly not in competition with solar radiation.
Our CO2 means nothing.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Dec 21, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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Does our Phd of record have his own global network of temperature
reporting stations?
Do they send him encrypted data with a high certainty
it has not suffered 'man n the middle' falsification
to support a political belief?
Didn't think so.
Most all the Warmists rely on a few to massage the surface station
temperatures records and then they write pro AGW papers. While ignoring
that the satellites have never seen any global warming
and glacier melt back is due only to pollution.
His hands are clean and his heart is pure.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 21, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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WTF. Another whole thread devoted to the Eddie appreciation (or not) band wagon.
Yes, he seems to a wonderful human being, a first rate teacher with infinite patience, a first rate scientist and intellectual, a down and dirty climber and great partner, generous, considerate and also a flaming progressive ,overly concerned environmentalist, fellow traveler about this stupid anthropogenic climate change crap.
So whats new?
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