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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 22, 2014 - 03:55pm PT
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"It's telling that more men here are not, but just taking the torture, rape and murder "jokes" in stride."
....and that this thread appears to be the usual sausage fest, with little/no apparent female participation. Plus ce change....
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:09pm PT
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Apogee hits it out of the park, and Chiloe swings and misses!
Chiloe don't you think your comment
The rape and torture fantasies came up fast on this thread! And from so many different posters, others piling on the first suggestions.
Is VERY inaccurate. I don't see it coming fast, often, or from many posters. That would be like calling it a gun lovers (not that that's good or bad) thread because of Ron's comment. It's almost as if you want to direct the thread away from the issue which is the defacing of national treasures that are here for all of us to share.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
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Ooooooh,... inappropriate comments instigated by,... inappropriate behavior.
Isn't that what ST was created for.
There are people here who actually expect otherwise? WTF are these n00bs?
Apparently this lame brained tagger has hit 10 national parks including Zion and Canyonlands (where I went twice in the past 16 days).
Good thing I didn't catch her in flagrante delicto.
(I've often wondered how much of their own spray paint a tagger could inhale.)
At 10:00pm KUTV will run a story about her.
I doubt she's gonna skate, and I am rooting for CONSECUTIVE sentences.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:30pm PT
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CCT go crawl back in your LEB like hole. We could care less for you or your 30 posts.
And CCT your below comment is a bullshit mis-representation of the thread.
The nasty comments are mostly on the second page (e.g. buried amongst comments 21-40). Some people did pile on, at first, but most dialed back once attention was drawn to the situation.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:38pm PT
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There was a lame tagger named Nocket
Who carried some paint in her pocket.
She visited parks
Just to leave there her marks
But now the complaints likely rocket
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:46pm PT
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so how is this different than chalk marks left by climbers?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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so how is this different than chalk marks left by climbers? Persistence
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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if that is what you feel you must do... or just think critically and attempt to answer a question
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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The park service has chimed in:
http://home.nps.gov/news/release.htm?id=1649
Vandalism reported in 10 national parks of the West
Incidents illustrated on social media
WASHINGTON: The National Park Service is investigating reports of vandalism in at least 10 national parks in Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, and Utah.
While we can’t discuss details of a case under investigation, we take the issue of vandalism seriously. National parks exist to preserve and protect our nation’s natural, cultural and historic heritage for both current and future generations. Vandalism is not only a violation of the law but it also damages and sometimes destroys often irreplaceable treasures that belong to all Americans.
There are forums for artistic expression in national parks because national parks inspire artistic creativity. These images are outside that forum and outside the law.
Parks affected (awaiting confirmation): Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona; Yosemite National Park, California; Death Valley National Park, California; Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks, California; Joshua Tree National Park, California; Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado; Crater Lake National Park, Oregon; Bryce National Park, Utah; Zion National Park, Utah; and Canyonlands National Park, Utah.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
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how is this for irony...
one of the pics posted by the girl is from the cave in JTree with the Disney painted pictographs
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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The rock is much more beautiful than her pitiful attention whoring. Some people will do anything for their 15minutes. I hope she is prepared to do the time.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 22, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
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Bwahaha.
I wonder if Creepytings knows how to spell Federal Marshal Service.
(hell I wonder if she can spell FBI)
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
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Yes I would be fine with chalkless rules in places where land managers want them.
chalk is aid brah.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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just throwing it out there...some of the most ugly pieces of rock I have seen are covered in chalk. But climbers did it so its all good. As you were gents.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2014 - 05:15pm PT
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The rape and torture fantasies came up fast on this thread! And from so many different posters, others piling on the first suggestions.
From my OP that I made in starting this thread, I think I made it clear that I'm offended by the vandalism. But I am also offended by some of the comments that I have seen here and on other forums (it's not just on the Taco)that indulge in rape and torture fantasies.
Many of us sometimes post things that we later decide are inappropriate and go back and edit--I've done that more times that I can count. I hope of of the people who posted that go back and remove it. That is never appropriate behavior.
Edit: We can argue about how many of these posts there are, but even one is too many.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:17pm PT
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Well put, GC.
Hopefully her art will improve in jail.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
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Also, a "Special Agent" with the Park Service is actively investigating. It was brought to their attention because of threads on forums like this one. So when we express out outrage on forums, it sometimes does lead to repercussions.
I hope they follow through and make an example of her.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Oct 22, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
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If you are going to do something illegal and spray about it on the internet, facebook whatever you are not the sharpest tool in the shed and deserve the consequences
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2014 - 05:39pm PT
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There is a huge distinction between paint and chalk. Chalk can be washed off.
Imagine how you would feel if on Halloween someone were to use paint to deface your car or your house with a picture of a big jack-o-lantern.
Now imagine that the same thing happens but it is just chalk, and you can wipe it off in a minute with a wet paper towel. You might still have an initial feeling of anger and violation when you first see it, but after you see it can be easily removed, you will - if you are normal - calm down and not call the cops or stress over it.
Paint is usually a lot more difficult and expensive to remove than chalk, but money is only part of why you would feel less angry. When someone uses chalk, it is clear that they are not trying to cause permanent damage and have some respect for you and your property (even if they are yanking your chain a bit.)
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