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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there tarbuster and all....awwwwwwwwwwwwww, the art of humans and nature, in unison ....... say, then, i reckon it is...
thanks for this great fun with loads of participants with so many feelings on this matter...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Why is she pointing at his package?
THATS pornography!
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Beta! She is showing him the next foot hold.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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The concept of "Art" usually pisses me off, as it is often used to bolster people's egos and elevate their creations and values as "Art" and denigrate somebody else's as "Not Art"
I call BS. We're all human beings. We all express ourselves. We are all artists. It's a spectrum. Some people are more expressive, in touch with themselves (or their angst), than others.
BUt I think Art just means expression. Everything is is just subcategories.
The philosopher Krishnamurti once said that everything is beautiful as it is but we're so numb that we need art to amplify beauty so we can see it. Some truth in that I think
Trying to see the beauty in all everywhere
PEace
Karl
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atchafalaya
climber
California
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* When is Climbing Considered Art?*
When you get older, and cant climb as hard as you used to. Or when your viewing it, or remembering it, as opposed to doing it.
If you have ever read old copies of Summit or Ascent, there was a period prior to climbing photography taking hold, where folks blew so much hot air about climbs, that you forgot all they were doing was climbing. The transmogrification of a physical activity into a pretentious, esoteric editorial (kind of like this post).
Please help keep climbing from becoming art.
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ec
climber
ca
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"Route ARE created." -DMT
'Just passing thru...
Nature's Art with a little of my own paint...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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The best climbers certainly can take it to the level of being an art. The rest of us are just starving artists.
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BadInfluence
Mountain climber
Dak side
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when you see someone climbing 5.11 or harder and they make it look like 5.3
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Whenever JB's at it...
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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"If I can do it, it isn't art."--anonymous.
I guess what I do isn't art then, which is okay because the creator of stone is the artist--we climbers are merely presenters of the art.
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wack-N-dangle
Gym climber
the ground up
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There are many arts, but one way. Art is for anyone who chooses it.
When I know this, I believe I will begin to understand the way.
Bouldering, alpinism, ice, rock, sport, trad, soloing, etc. all arts? Climbing part of the way? Maybe after being practiced for years by artists?
Living in the dirt, eating other's leftovers, reducing your needs to a minimum, and thriving, ART!
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Roy,
Have you read "Define A Work of Art?"
Pat
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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This sort of thing is what real artists call shi-shi-fru-fru-artsy-fartsy talk.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2007 - 03:04pm PT
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It is that Dirt.
No Pat, I have not read "Define a Work of Art"; I'll add the title to my reading list: cheers!
Who is the author?
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Oli
Trad climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Roy, "Define A Work of Art" is a chapter of my book "Everything That Matters." For some reason I thought you had that book and might have read it. I spend quite a bit of time talking about art and climbing. The subject has been on my mind for many years, and I think the chapter really says all the important things I feel about it. Let me know if I should send off a copy (I'm not hitting you up for a sale).
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2007 - 11:08pm PT
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Excellent!
I do have the book Pat, because you kindly tossed it in with a purchase of The History of Free Climbing in America.
Clearly I have not yet read it; I'll go straight to that chapter for my nightime read.
Speaking of art, made any more music?
I've now enjoyed 2 of your CD's, the second of which is "Recluse".
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survival
Big Wall climber
arlington, va
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I smile when I read y'alls stuff.
Climbing = Art
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2007 - 02:24am PT
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Although a single line does little justice to a synopsis, here's a couple lines which you wrote in your piece Pat, "Define A Work Of Art", from "Everything That Matters -remembering rockclimbing":
"Empathy is to feel the life in things, to project ourselves into, and identify ourselves with, objects either animate or inanimate or both, to draw joy and love from mysterious aspects of existence that have no validity or value to an empirical world. For the mystic, this is the true meaning of being aware." -Ament
I enjoyed the full piece and those lines, in particular, reached me.
To drape oneself into the landscape, to listen to it and respond to it, rather than to impose ourselves upon it -that to me approaches artful living on the stone, or anywhere else for that matter.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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If climbing is art
It's an Andy Warhol
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