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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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That may be the critical path to follow. Best wishes!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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d-know,
He is reputedly one of my ancestors. A number of family members have Porter as their middle name. There are at least four biographies written on the man. but there seems to be discrepancies in facts. for instance he's presented as being from 5'8" all the way up to 6'4".
I know high school coaches tend to exaggerate their players sizes but eight inches is a little over the wall.
There's some controversy as to whether he was actually a member of the Danites. Hollywood has pushed that legend but it may well be false.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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do you think he drank, and was a bigot?
or just unique in his rightousness?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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He was certainly unique and well out of the Mormon mold. Many reports say he was a drinker.He was Joseph Smiths bodyguard for some time and I have doubts Smith would have put up with much drunkeness.
His killings are probably exaggerated but it appears he may have killed several criminals on his own.
Bigotry can be an open ended word, defined by the times. I'm not aware of any racial or religious bigotry but he was very hard on opponents of the church.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2006 - 07:50pm PT
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This thing just ate my post damnit.
Try again.
Porter Rockwell was a serious customer. His size isn't much of an issue. After 1836 Sam Colt negated the size issue as big guys made easier targets.
Any of you Texas climbers check out where the Colt Navy was field tested at Enchanted Rock.
Anyway Rockwell was more than just a dry gulcher (and even THAT takes sand).
But what about the outcast Danite, Wild Bill Hickman, buried in secret somewhere in Wyoming?
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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I don't know much about Hickman. I do know joseph Smith forbade Mormon men to join the Danites. Theoretically, the Danites never came to Utah with the Mormon pioneers but there are legends that say a Danite secret society existed in Utah. I don't really know but between Hollywood and the local legend makers I think that might be another exaggeration.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2006 - 07:56pm PT
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Oh and Jennie,
the Word of Wisdom wasn't until the 90s, before then mormons didn't need to drink in the closet.
Hell, Brigham Young used ephedrine dailly. (Probably shouldn't go there.)
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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Ron
I believe the Word of Wisdom predated the 1890's. If you have the time, I can check. Don't know about ephedrine but I do know Coca Cola had cocaine in it during the early years. Mormons are instructed to abide by the law but many believe the government has too heavy a hand in regulating pain killing medications.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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The Word of Wisdom was given February 27, 1833 at Kirtland, Ohio. This is from section 89 of Doctrine and Covenants.
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327—329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
1—9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10—17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18—21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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If you want that deleted, please let me know.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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I tend to think alcohol makes you tend to blurt out whatever is prepossesing your mind at the time. I don't think what's said is always what you "really" believe.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Here you have a guy who finances, directs and plays Jesus himself in a big budget Hollywood movie. That's not so much a Christian as a narcissist, and when the narcissism gets too big you have people thinking they "own" huge parts of LA. It's sad that the guy who started in Gallipoli and Road Warrior could so grievously lose his way.
He'll never recover from this one.
JL
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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That's probably true. I don't have much experience with alchohol but enough to think you're correct.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2006 - 09:02pm PT
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Hey Largo, I've only got a size 7 in MY mouth, what size is yours?
Didn't Jim Cavezal (sp?) play the carpenter? (I didn't see it. My Aremaic is rusty.)
Sorry Jennie. I'm not an LDS scholar but I thought they gave up alcohol in the early 1890's.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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Ron
OK when you become an LDS scholar I'll check back with ye.
By the way, I'm no longer a closet drinker if any body gives a dang.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Salt Lake
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Jody,
I hope you didn't lose respect for me for giving away my ladysmith .38. It's too heavy for church and too light for bear, right?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2006 - 09:28pm PT
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I caught BOTH those shots Jody, but I figured, what with the name of the film and all, that it was for plausible deniability to appease the HCI proponents.
And seeing that guy strip the upper off that Beretta made me damn glad I never bought one.
Jennie, if it wasn't for the name I'd own one. A good compact.
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WBraun
climber
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The glock 23?
How many glocks you have?
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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Ron, don't you have some nice .40's for sale???rg
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