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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 20, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
The Farting Preacher? Ho Man Hank that is ripe for odious commentry. That guy's sermons must be a gas but I bet he has to sit in his own pew. Haliluya and thank you Jeesus.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 20, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Ksolem
I didn't read Jimmy Carter's article. Perhaps he was being generous towards Bush the Idiot.

Here are the facts on Africa and Shrub and family planning.
Under President George W. Bush, the United States withdrew from its decades-long role as a global leader in supporting family planning, driven by a conservative ideology that favored abstinence and shied away from providing contraceptive devices in developing countries, even to married women.

Bush's mammoth global anti-AIDS initiative, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, poured billions of dollars into Africa but prohibited groups from spending any of it on family planning services or counseling programs, whose budgets flat-lined.

The restrictions flew in the face of research by international aid agencies, the U.N. World Health Organization and the U.S. government's own experts, all of whom touted contraception as a crucial method of preventing births of babies being infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

The Bush program is widely hailed as a success, having supplied lifesaving anti-retroviral drugs to more than 2 million HIV patients worldwide.

However, researchers, Africa experts and veteran U.S. health officials now think that PEPFAR also contributed to Africa's epidemic population growth by undermining efforts to help women in some of the world's poorest countries exercise greater control over their fertility.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/12/13/80331/bush-birth-control-policies-helped.html

Read it and weep:

The high-fertility cues start from the top: The longtime president, Yoweri Museveni, has often said that a large population could turn his landlocked nation into an economic power. His wife, Janet Museveni, is a born-again Christian who's urged women not to use birth control because it goes "against God's clear plan for your life."

Opposition to birth control also comes from the Roman Catholic Church, the country's largest, and from husbands who consider big families badges of masculine accomplishment, health workers say.

In national surveys, 41 percent of married women say they want to practice family planning but aren't. Every year, some 775,000 Ugandan women get pregnant without intending to, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a New York-based reproductive-health advocacy group.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 20, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
Yes, Bush Jr did a lot for Africa. HIV/AIDS treatment, and major funding to fight malaria.
Before PEPFAR, an estimated 100,000 people were on anti-retroviral drugs in sub-Saharan Africa. By the time Bush left office in 2008 that number had increased to about 2 million.
In 2005 Bush started a $1.2 billion initiative to fight malaria. He defended the request for funding in 2007, saying, “There’s no reason for little babies to be dying of mosquito bites around the world.”

But family planning? fuggedaboudid. No PEPFAR money could be spent for family birth control, other than "abstinence" planning. Condoms were only supplied to truck drivers and prostitutes as part of the HIV effort. Not to married women who wanted effective family planning.

It doesn't help that the Catholic Church is powerful in Uganda.

From the Guttmacher Institute
• Unintended pregnancy is common in Uganda, leading to high levels of unplanned births, unsafe abortion, and maternal injury and death.
• According to the 2011 Uganda Demographic and Health Survey (DHS), more than four in 10 births are unplanned.1
• Ugandan women, on average, give birth to nearly two children more than they want (6.2 vs. 4.5). This difference—which represents one of the highest levels of excess fertility in Sub-Saharan Africa—illustrates just how difficult it is for women to meet their fertility desires.1
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Contraception-and-unintended-pregnancy-in-Uganda.html
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 20, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
Isn't family planning something best left to ... the family?

Why the need for government to do that? Especially a government on the other side of the planet?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 20, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Not to married women who wanted effective family planning.

Things get complicated. It is the man who has to be convinced to wear the condom in these cultures. Your article quotes a woman who says she did not know such choices were even available, a pretty grim situation.

You can disagree, and even rant about Bush's Africa policy but he did more than any other President there, and continues his efforts after office.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Dec 20, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
Jefe, that rant is awesome.

+10,000
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 20, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
What if "the Duck" (Phil Robertson) said he hates gay people and blacks? Would that be a story?
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:07am PT
And a good one. But a false one. Anyone with half a brain can look at his family photos and realize the truth.
Q- Ball

Mountain climber
where the wind always blows
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:13am PT
Sarcasm is something most folks don't understand from me.
So if Phil had said something bad about a black person or a gay person that would be worthy of discussion. He hasn't!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 21, 2013 - 10:08am PT
Not a Catholic, and I've only seen about 5 min of the show but this is the best explanation of the situation that I've seen.


Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away

by Pat Archbold Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:58 AM Comments (176)

After A&E fired Phil Robertson for saying what every good Christian should believe, social media has been abuzz. One of the recurring themes has been puzzlement about why A&E would cut off its nose to spite its face. Duck Dynasty is the franchise right now. Why would they risk destroying their own cash cow?

To understand the why, we have to go back to the beginning. Duck Dynasty is not the show that they wanted, it is the show that got away from them.

It seems what the producers intended and what A&E envisioned with the show is much different than the show that they ended up with, but they didn't do anything about it because it was so wildly popular and so wildly profitable. But even with all the money, they have never really been comfortable with what happened.

This is what happened. The whole idea of the show was to parade these nouveau riche Christian hillbillies around so that we could laugh at them. "Look at them," we were supposed to say. "Look how backward they are! Look what they believe! Can you believe they really live this way and believe this stuff? See how they don't fit in? HAHAHA"

When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course. They tried to get the Robertson's to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused. They tried to add fake cussin' to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered. At best, they wanted to make the Robertson's look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.

They desperately wanted us to laugh at the Robertsons. Instead, we loved them.


A&E wanted us to point fingers at them and laugh at them. But something else happened entirely. Millions upon millions of people tuned in, not to laugh at them, but to laugh with them.

And then we pointed at them. We pointed at them and said things like, "I wish my family was more like them. I wish we prayed together as a family. I wish we were together like the Robertsons."

By the time this all happened, A&E had a conundrum. They knew who the Robertsons were and what they believe and they still held it in disdain. But they really liked the money. Really liked the money. So they lived with it.

But the progressives whose bank accounts were not growing fatter because of these backward rubes were never inclined to look the other way. They hate the show and they really hate the response to the show. They want it destroyed.

Many magazines and interviewers have tried to get the Robertsons to trip up so they could pounce. When Phil backed the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality and added some personal asides about how he just couldn't understand it, they had their moment.

I suspect that the folks at A&E, who always disliked the positive Christian message in the show of which Phil is the primary proponent, saw their chance. They want to keep the cash but dial down the Christianity. With Phil out, perhaps they could get the show they always wanted.

I suspect that the Robertsons are more principled than that and A&E will end up disappointed on many levels. The Roberstons are who they are and I suspect the money means a great deal more to A&E than it does to them.

It will be interesting to see whether A&E likes the money more than they hate the Christianity. I wouldn't be surprised if the hate wins.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/duck-dynasty-the-show-that-got-away-from-them#ixzz2o7dX3cCg
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Dec 21, 2013 - 10:18am PT
^^interesting. and maybe church's proclivity for encouraging priests to bugger little boys made the Head Duck's comments hit a bit close to home
WBraun

climber
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
LOL ^^^^
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
WTF, WTF?!
Your last post was dispicable!
Disagree all you want but to wish ill and death on someone you disagree with is repugnant and unacceptable. Are we supposed to believe that you are some sort of Christian or just a sanctimonious ASS?

Glad you were amused Werner. You have lost it!
WBraun

climber
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
Philo

I lived in one of the most roughest parts of downtown Chicago when I was younger.

We heard sh!t like this and way worst all the time.

It's just sh!t talk from pissed off people ranting.

Heard it all the time in Camp 4.

We laughed all the time.

Nobody ever killed anyone over stupid sh!t talk.

Go back and hang out and hide in your pure yuppie bar with your PC correct people ......
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
I'd take the folks I hang out with any day over the frothing wingnutz you seem intent on defending.

Dr F., Norton and the others are a true assets to ST. they present rational arguments and verifiable info with links. And for that you incessantly bash them like some kind of play ground bully. But you NEVER present options, alternatives or even original thoughts. You have becoe the Rush Limbaugh of StupidTorpor.
WBraun

climber
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Cry us river Philo

Are you having another meltdown?

Quit yer whining again, you're pathetic .....
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 21, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Look in the mirror if you want to glimpse pathetic old man. You have really been failing of late.
What crawled up your panties and gave you such a nasty itch?


WBraun

climber
Dec 21, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Still crying like a little girl ....^^^^
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 21, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Ive been south of the Mason Dixon line. Travelled through it as a child when Jim Crow laws were still active. No thank you. The entire Bible Belt south should be turned into a live fire/bombing range. Both you and Werner can go f*#k yourselves or each other as that seems to be the natural progression to your mutual reach around club.
Threatening people with violence is not funny it is Ne Kulturny.


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