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fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Dec 13, 2013 - 10:53pm PT

People get angry, people kill other people. Nothing is going to change that so let's not let our failed government twist yet another tradgedy into fodder for some agenda.

Prayers to the injured and for the families of the dead, including the murderer...

SteveW

Trad climber

The state of confusion

Dec 13, 2013 - 10:58pm PT

Madbolter1

I didn't suggest more laws. I suggested fewer guns.
Period. I gave mine up when I quit hunting. I don't need guns
for protection.

And I'm not afraid to use my real name, not hide behind an avatar.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

Dec 13, 2013 - 11:10pm PT

Propose an effective law, and it will pass itself.

a very simple law was proposed right after the Newtown killings, universal background checks

it was defeated in the Senate when it was brought up for a vote

does that mean that universal background checks are thusly not "effective"?

certainly the American public, including the majority of NRA members, support background checks

it was defeated when brought up for a vote

I know why, do you?

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Dec 13, 2013 - 11:12pm PT

What good would that do?

Seriously!!!111

philo

Trad climber

Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?

Dec 13, 2013 - 11:40pm PT

Well said SteveW.

Anxious Melancholy

Mountain climber

Between the Depths of Despair & Heights of Folly

Dec 13, 2013 - 11:44pm PT

This is what I know, comming from a school perspective: event is over in an average of five minutes; law enforcement takes at least five or more minutes to respond; suspect usually takes own life at or before law enforcement arrival, two to four fatalities per minute occur durring event, vast majority of perpetrators are male; a precursor of known mental health or social media/peer communication occurred in a majority of these events which are never communicated to school or law enforcement officials:

A shift from "lock down" response to "run, fight, hide" in active shooter events appears to enhance survival rates.

Have you seen unfiltered Columbine, Virginia Tech, or Sandy Hook video? Watch the kids taught to hide in place at Columbine get killed like fish in a barrel, while those willing to make a dash for it survive. Watch as those willing to break a window and jump from a second story window at Virginia tech survive, while those who remain in class are slaughtered, and see how students at Sandy Hook might have escaped if they had busted out their ground floor windows and run away.

I do my best to effluence decision makers, but in the end I need to protect my students and staff. We train "run, fight, hide".

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Dec 13, 2013 - 11:55pm PT

Makes perfect sense, Anxious Melancholy.

Anyone who has done any shooting knows a moving target is harder to hit than a stationery one. And the closer you are to your target, the better your chance of hitting it.

There's a reason why it's "fight or flight" and not "fight or curl up into a ball".

paganmonkeyboy

climber

mars...it's near nevada...

Dec 14, 2013 - 12:28am PT

repost

"How many people own guns and DON'T walk into a school and start shooting ?"

ima jus sayin...

seems like the hype of the one off is part of the issues i refer to in my previous post...

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Dec 14, 2013 - 12:34am PT

Interesting how an incident that's basically just an attempted murder with a suicide gets national news attention, yet three murders over four days in San Bernardino last week doesn't.

WBraun

climber

Dec 14, 2013 - 01:26am PT

Americans are the most violent people on the planet ......

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Dec 14, 2013 - 01:35am PT

There's nothing that anyone can do - guns are integrated into our society and can never be removed.

disagree

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Dec 14, 2013 - 02:00am PT

Americans are the most violent people on the planet ......

We're fairly mediocre, really. I suggest a camping trip to Liberia or northeastern Zaire/western Uganda.

Chaz

Trad climber

greater Boss Angeles area

Dec 14, 2013 - 02:17am PT

Mr Milktoast writes:

"Were they school shootings too, chaz? A few of us don't like the idea of our children getting shot up. Interesting huh? Call us melodramatic!!!"

Can't ever cheer kids being terrorized by gunfire at school.

You also can't be happy with someone being stabbed to death in their own home ( San Bernardino ), or being stabbed to death while living on the streets because they had nowhere else to go ( San Bernardino ), or someone going for a drive to look at the Christmas lights, and instead finding a dead guy full of bullet holes ( San Bernardino ).

One makes national news, the others don't. All are equally horrific, maxing out on the horrible scale.

Interesting how the news coverage differs.

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber

da ow

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 02:27am PT

maybe it's because one happens daily, and the other is still a 'relatively' rare event.
when school shootings stop being national headline news maybe then we can have a discussion about guns?

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber

da ow

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 11:31am PT

but it's only like 200 kids a year. collateral damage that we should just accept
https://vimeo.com/81479036

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber

da ow

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2013 - 12:07pm PT

Adam Lanza had training

Her sister-in-law described Nancy Lanza as a "gun enthusiast who owned at least a dozen firearms". She often took her two sons to a local shooting range and had them learn to shoot.

Dont ever think differently.

conservative much?

wbw

Trad climber

'cross the great divide

Dec 14, 2013 - 12:08pm PT

I know for most of you folks these stories are just headlines and theory, and your comments here reflect that reality.

I'm a high school teacher, and for part of this year I was assigned duty to "watch" the back entrance to my large school. This was mostly just eyeballing the many, many people that entered the school that I did not know, to see if anything looked suspicious. As I'm sitting there to be the first target for any would-be whacko that might want to go out in headlines and infamy, there is a Boulder Police annex literally a few feet away. As far as I can tell, the cops that are there mostly drink coffee in their office. I'm not even sure why they placed a Boulder Police annex in my school, but my point is that while they are drinking coffee, a math teacher with no training whatsoever in what to do if things get really crazy is guarding the entrance to a school of 2000+ kids.

There were enough teachers that complained about the fact that we were essentially doing duty to be the first victim of a would-be shooter, that the administration finally reassigned us to a different part of the school.

We train for lock downs in schools now, preparing for shooters in the way we used to prepare for tornadoes. We assign unqualified people like me to guard the fort while trained police officers in the school sit on their butts as if they are actually doing something in their annex. I'm not sure what this all means, but I'm pretty sure it means that NOBODY knows what to do to prevent school shootings. From my perspective, all the "preparing" that is done is for after the $hit hits the fan, and we are completely unprepared when it happens.