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Degaine
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Nov 13, 2014 - 05:53am PT
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Bluering wrote:
Only a f*#king dumbass would assume an "illegal" immigrant is innocent. Sure the employer is at fault, but you fail to have culpability for the person who broke the law?
Why is that? Why do you fail to blame the people who break our laws?
Where did I write that the illegal immigrant is innocent or that the illegal immigrant has not committed an infraction?
However, I will state that illegal immigrants are not the root cause of the USA's immigration issues.
You want to discuss breaking the law? Cargill, IBP / Tyson, Purdue, etc., have broken the law. It's well documented that they head south of the border to recruit illegally.
These companies as well as the broader agri-industry are a big - excuse me - huge part of the problem.
Want to solve the immigration issue, go to the source. Want to use ICE's resources and budget in an effective manner, go to the source.
Blaming the illegal immigrant for the problematic status quo that Big Agri-Business is all to happy to pay to maintain stinks of xenophobia.
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Degaine
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Nov 13, 2014 - 06:01am PT
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couchmaster wrote:
So I see the brain trust here, idiots like Gary and their ilk, are claiming that it's the employers who are breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens.
Read my post above. The major employers recruiting illegal immigrants do so knowingly and willingly and the pay/lobby their congressmen and women to look the other way or even worse, to have the taxpayer fund a costly wall that doesn't do jack sh#t to solve the problem.
As to the DL/SS Card/ID issue, start cracking down on employers and they'll be a lot more careful.
That written for the small employer I do empathize. I know one or two who own and run companies in the "intense manual labor" professions that have hired Mexican and Latino immigrants with "valid" ID. The jobs were not low paying either - standard, good-paying wage for profession, and yet only immigrants applied for the positions.
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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 13, 2014 - 06:04am PT
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Couchmaster, healyje and degaine have laid it out very coherently. You might ask your congressman about that.
Or maybe you know some old surfers. You can ask them about it. A lot of them were working as drywallers, at least in my parts, until the contractors started hiring illegals at a fifth of the wage.
Oh, but they didn't know they were illegal. Right.
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Degaine
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Nov 13, 2014 - 06:05am PT
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healyje wrote:
The fact is its the very same folks using this issue to incite guys like you to vote for them are the very same people doing the illegal hires. It would be ironic if it weren't just so damn pathetically sad. Total suckers, but then the old razzle-dazzle that gets redstaters to vote against their economic interests can still work like a charm if you can keep the [social] hysteria on high for long enough.
Indeed. The companies doing the illegal hires are part of the group of supposed "job creators" that we are told to revere so highly.
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couchmaster
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Nov 13, 2014 - 08:15am PT
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I don't say that the law can't be changed. It should. It is estimated to expand the E-verify system and make it mandatory would cost 1 Billion dollars. So it won't be cheap and you saw Oregons experience and 300 million dollar waste of money to fail to simply put up a working healthcare web site, so good luck. We are seeing the failure of the the last law they drafted, the "landmark 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act", which legalized 3.5 million illegals, and which REQUIRES employers to accept documents that "reasonably on their face appear to be genuine". Operative word "REQUIRES" you to accept.....
Change the law. BTW, since you want to sound so above the fray and innocent. Let me point out that if you were voting then, you would have voted for the politicians who screwed up the last one. A Democrat, Chuck Schumer rammed the 1986 law though, a Republican wanted to make the Everify system workable but compromised under democratic pressure. There was marginal "bi-partisanship" so you can blame both parties if you prefer. Be aware that you also voted for the same people not changing it now HealyJe.
Plenty of blame to go around. I guess it merely depends which way you want to point the finger.
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couchmaster
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Nov 13, 2014 - 12:37pm PT
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That would increase the costs Dingus, you'd need a new bureaucracy set up to account, check, massage, send out nasty grams etc etc. I have no idea how much, but the billion dollar figure above would need to be increased I believe.
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