Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Urmas
Social climber
Sierra Eastside
|
|
Great time to do a trade route - no slow parties to pass! Just get dropped off and picked up.
|
|
guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
|
|
TGT.... Tip O'Neal....
No the Dems didn't complain.
The Repubs did.....
In our weak two party system (I really feel its time for a 3rd, and 4th party) this is a tit for tat....
At the core of our "SYSTEM" is the idea of compromise, but the sides are not ready to work this stuff out.
But oh well, close the parks and all the other good stuff.
Might just get the population to wake up and take voting seriously.
As in vote the "incumbents" OUT no matter what party they represent.
|
|
TGT
Social climber
So Cal
|
|
The frequency with which America has previously reached this point betrays another inconvenient truth: the willingness to shut down the federal Leviathan is by no means limited to the advocates of small government. As my colleague Andrew Stiles notes today, during the supposedly bipartisan wonder years of Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill — which are typically rolled out by revisionists to demonstrate what can happen if we all just “work together” — the government shut down no fewer than eight times, mostly at O’Neill’s insistence. Likewise, during Bill Clinton’s eight years in office, which are fondly remembered as a time of solid economic growth and bipartisan achievement, the government was sent home twice — on both occasions after Clinton rejected the budget.
Overall, the statistics might surprise: Of the 17 shutdowns in America’s history, Democrats controlled the House during 15 and had charge of both chambers during eight. Five shutdowns happened under unified government! This makes sense. Government shutdowns are caused by legitimate and welcome disagreement between equal branches. They are certainly more likely to happen in divided government, but it is not a prerequisite.
What stands out here is not the shutdown itself, but the president and Harry Reid’s public refusal even to engage with Republicans. As Matthews documents, most budget gaps are resolved by the participants’ compromising. The quaint notion that there is no obligation to come to a negotiated agreement because one branch of government “won” would be almost certainly regarded as somewhat odd not only by the architects of America’s constitutional order but by the major players in the previous few decades. Eleven shutdowns ended with a deal, five were resolved with an agreement temporarily to fund the government while debate continued, and one ended with Congress overriding a presidential veto. Stand firm if you want, Mr. President, but the history is against you here.
|
|
klk
Trad climber
cali
|
|
lol tgt.
a conservative republican senator today had this to say, following a meeting with ted cruz in which the other republicans pressed him to explain his exit strategy:
“It was very evident to everyone in the room that Cruz doesn’t have a strategy – he never had a strategy, and could never answer a question about what the end-game was,” said one senator who attended the meeting. “I just wish the 35 House members that have bought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch.”
yet another in a series of amazing stories in which conservative rpublicans go public or semi-public with their anger with the cruz wingers and their allies. just a disaster for the gop nationally. good for cruz, in his confederate district. but really bad news nationally and in california.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/ted-cruz-blasted-by-angry-gop-colleagues-government-shutdown-97753.html?hp=t1_3
|
|
10b4me
Ice climber
Soon 2B Flagstaff
|
|
Might just get the population to wake up and take voting seriously.
Americans are too lazy to do that
As in vote the "incumbents" OUT no matter what party they represent.
I agree with you 100%
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|