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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 3, 2013 - 02:56am PT
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NIce Job, Jesse!
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Dare I say thanks? Of course! Thanks for this OT, too! A subject very close, indeed. And at times. . . . the left is so far left that they become really far right. . . .
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John M
climber
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I'm glad that worked out for you Jesse. I have been falsely accused myself and know a little bit about just how difficult that can be.
I have worked in a church and seen both sides of the coin. I wouldn't want to be a social worker. Its just too difficult of a job, though in a way I was a social worker. I didn't have the authority, but I did have the responsibility. Until you have had the responsibility of knowing when to call the cops, you can't really know just how hard it is. You don't want to get someone in trouble who doesn't deserve it, yet you also know that you have to protect the child. Its a terrible responsibility of which I believe many people don't appreciate just how difficult it is.
Moms telling you they are off the drugs, and then they aren't. The child going days without being changed or fed. oh oh oh.. I promise. It will never happen again. When do you step in?
The problem is that the entire thing depends on humans. You can't make enough rules to protect everything. We end up trying to do just that and people get hurt. Parents get hurt when their child is taken because of the rules, and children get hurt because they aren't taken out of a home when they should be but can't be because of the rules. Both situations happen all too often.
And what do you do? Do you do away with the rules? If you are going to have rules, then who writes them? And who enforces them? The only thing you have are people and people aren't perfect. And sometimes they are just downright mean. Parents and social workers and cops and judges.
And even if they aren't mean, then they still make mistakes. Mistakes with terrible consequences.
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LuckyJack
Trad climber
Novato, CA
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John, you are patient and erudite beyond what this OT asks for. That said, I'm a gun-owning-leftist liberal-parent who has been following this story out of concern for families' rights. It does concern me that this was resolved because there was dramatic video footage and the family went to the press. It scares me to think how misunderstandings could happen like this and not get so quickly sorted out. That said, I also have experience with CPS and I get your point that social workers care more about people than anyone else. It's not like they went into social work for the money. It is a very hard balance to figure out parents' rights, children's rights, children's best interest, doctors orders, doctors conflicting opinions, as well as all the egos represented. There was obviously a communication breakdown at some point in the story, since a reasonable CPS caseworker would probably not have authorized police intervention if they had understood that a second doctor had sent them home. But I understand the parents' fear at the first hospital too!! If they had been messing things up (I know what that's like, I could tell stories about that) Can you imagine if a hospital where you felt you had received particularly careless care said your child needs immediate heart surgery and a second cardiologist said you could take your child home?! It's a messed up story all around, but really I come down in the same place as the other John: everyone did their job and the system worked. It didn't work well, and it made the parents feel like they live in a police state, but it did work. Sorry for the long post, but it is a subject near to my heart, and I guess I take back my original statement, the story deserves as much patience as we can muster for it, and as much erudition as we have.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Wow, blueringy is a real hot head, you're quite fast to fling out the sensationalism and insults without truly understanding what the skyte you're talking about. Calm down. You are actually doing the polar opposite equivalent of what you're "protesting". You're surely going to keep insulting anyone who doesnt agree with your under-informed, reactionary, and emotionally charged responses. If you have kids, and you behave like you're behaving here...watch out, someone might call CPS on YOU, tiger.
That said I think you are a stupid bitch of an as#@&%e and you should spearhead my purple ripple ring with your sharp little tongue....... and then shut the f*#k up.
You clearly have no knowledge or background on the subject, CPS's 'trigger happiness' sadly exists for a reason.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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bluering, you should probably concentrate on your own issues before you try to solve the worlds problems, until then your like putting out fire with gasoline. Even you crazy righties should agree with this.
They may say you're unfit to have kids if you have guns around
Are you afraid you may have to choose?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Wow 60 more posts already?
Blue, you fascinate me because you have one speed. Your a fixed gear bike ready to go all-in at the drop of a hat, ever ready to establish a narrative but more filter everything you read as a movement or strategy in your "game."
Put the pitchfork down is my advice. I promise everyone isn't out to get you, we are just confused is all...
Saying you "don't like political correctness" or "I wear my heart on my sleeve" often comes off as an excuse for being incendiary, I learned a long time ago that even if I was right it wasn't worth burning bridges over or putting out negativity because EVERYONE is right - that's why we have opposing opinions.
I'd read the articles but all I got up in idy is a cracked iPhone :/ I'm sure you have a good cause but the banter makes me a bit nauseous.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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ok ok , let me get this straight, you want to go protest against the big liberal natzi machine because some Russian family can't stop for a moment and do the proper thing and check their child out of a hospital correctly? Are you F'in insane? The hospital becomes responsible for the child when they come in, if the parents signed the papers to get in, they should be able to sign them on the way out, too easy right? instead they displayed complete negligence and a disregard for the system. Maybe it was a little much for them to get their baby taken away but who the hell are you to say there wasn't other good reasons, like a history of this type of behavior.
And you want to go protest, with truthers and teabaggers no less...some of the most discredited folks in politics, the lunatic fringe...
and to top it off you want others to join you...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
You a funny guy...
Just so you know, there's children starving in homes across this nation right now...but F them right? Lets go after the man who is trying to help them...
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Why are you lecturing him? He's not even up yet.....
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Might want to tone that mouth down a little Bluetard, before it gets closed for you.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Bluey, a very successful troll. Congratulations.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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I'm sure Blue is a nice person to hang with face to face, but he comes off as completely clueless in interpersonal communication on the internet.
I've tried to ask nicely for him to join the conversation rather than stand outside and yell at it on more than one occasion. His answer has always been a resounding FU.
He is beyond hope. There is no reasoning with his Fox News and alcohol addled brain.
Best of luck, dude. You're going to need it.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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FYI 300 Richard's BLVD, where the protest is being held, is 2 minutes from Sacramento Pipeworks. :) (Climbing related sorry!)
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Regardless of what political tit you suck on, this affects everyone. If it can happen to them, it can happen to you.
Don't let cops into your house ever, unless they have a warrant. Some more police BS.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1367524519
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Pat Dullard? Never heard of him.
Great, give these whacks another place to get all foamed up about. :o)
Edit: After watching the video, it does seem that this is about not signing out of hosp #1.
The parents are young, seem smart, very concerned about their baby. Example, they were regularly taking him for appointments on his heart murmur. They took him to hosp #1 because of flu like symptoms. That's not neglect.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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EVERYONE is right - that's why we have opposing opinions.
It's sad how few people respect the intellect of those with whom they disagree. Perhaps it's a product of people getting their information from non-objective sources. In any case, I greatly appreciate your recognition of this fact. Then again, if everyone treated opposing viewpoints with politeness and respect, this forum would lose a great deal of its entertainment value.
John
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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This will absolutely end up with the baby back with its parents for one simple reason. There's no money is not doing so. In fact the state would otherwise underwrite this kid for many years, and they simply are no going to ever do that. This is just some zealot showing who's boss for a moment in time. The really story with such things is not the immediate flare up and all the bosh people spew, but how the situation eventually ends up, once the "story" has died off.
Just watch. The whole thing will go straight back to where it started.
JL
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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It's sad how few people respect the intellect of those with whom they disagree.
John, what else is there to do. Any one who does not share my opinions, is quite obviously a moron, possibly in need of institutionalization.
On a serious note, do we have both sides of this story yet? The Channel 10 story seemed to come from only the parents.
They took they child out of ICU? Why wouldn't a hospital be concerned about that?
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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"Any one who does not share my opinions, is quite obviously a moron, possibly in need of institutionalization."
Nice!
Erik
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