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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 30, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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Just nuke 'em, and be done with. Any survivors would probably enjoy a better standard of living in a nuclear winter than they do now.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Mar 30, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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While we're all watching N. Korea and Iran, nobody seems to pay attention to that Northern border between India and Pakistan. Both of those countries have nukes, and that border dispute goes back a long time, and there has been lots of sabre rattling.
I would not be surprised if the first tactical nuke to be detonated is between those two.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Mar 30, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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Speaking of little rat bastards, I hear that Musharef is back in Pakistan, another in a long line of military dictators that were supported by the US of A. Don't think he'll last long, he has numerous contracts out on his ass.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 30, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
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So perhaps Gen Douglas McArthur wasn't a complete idiot after all?
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Mar 30, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
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That president Kim guy dung has got an extremely large vagina.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Mar 30, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
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War is delightful to those who have not experienced it. Erasmus
In time of war the first casualty is truth.
Boake Carter
After each war there is a little less democracy to save.
Brooks Atkinson
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 30, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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Those NK officers sure have a chest full of medals for a military who hasn't done anything noteworthy in sixty years.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 30, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
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Yous guys are all wrong. Those are 'I Survived Such-and-Such Purge' medals.
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Gene
climber
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Mar 30, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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I am not too worried about Lil’ Kim. I’m sure his cousins to the south have his military, political, intelligence (ha!), and economic (haha!) services well penetrated. When his capabilities begin to approach the level of his threats, or if he decides to pull the triggers on his artillery aimed at Seoul, it will be known beforehand in the South and he will be history. South Korea understands self preservation.
The time to worry about Kim is when/if he decides to make nice publicly as a cover for an attack. If he starts yapping about peaceful coexistence or reunification with the South and makes a few ‘concessions’ on his nukes, human rights, trade, families split by the 38th, etc., he might be able to cause confusion in the governments of his opponents. Hitler was the master of the peace conference as a prelude to war. Is Kim that savvy?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 30, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
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A long time ago, I read a story about N Korea's thousands of artillery tubes already sighted in on each block of Seoul. Just give the order, bang, and ten minutes later Seoul is a smoking hole in the ground.
N Korea has the 4th largest army in the world. It would get really nasty really quick.
I've heard a lot of crazy talk coming out of N Korea in the past, but this is over the top crazy.
Nuclear Weapons aren't really the point. They have a massive army maintained on the border and our forces are much smaller.
If they dared to attack Japan, sh#t would really fly.
You can be sure that we won't use nukes even if they do. Anyone who uses nukes will be a pariah. Nukes give you the comfort of not being invaded. You can't actually use them.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 30, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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"Just give the order"
Granted. However, there was a lesson learned in the first Gulf War.
similar to Saddam, NK has a very rigid heirarchical structure to their military. Do something not ordered, and you are beheaded.
So....you wait for the order, before doing anything.
What happens if communications is disrupted? Surely, Kim is not going to travel to each battery to give orders?
This involves technology, which can be disrupted and corrupted, as the Iranians can tell you.
I'm not an expert on this, but I figured this out. Do you really think we have not mapped all their communication sites? Do you think we have not worked out their methods for alternative communications?
We have the technology:
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/boeings-new-missile-takes-down-electronics-without-touching-them-1C6663618
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 30, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
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Too bad we can't disrupt the first order to fire.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 30, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
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N Korea has the 4th largest army in the world. It would get really nasty really quick.
Sadam had the 5th largest before GW1 and either the 3rd or 4th largest relatively modern armored force.
Fat lot of good it did him.
The Norkor army is technologically essentially the same as it was in the 50's with minor improvements around the edges and of course the addition of a few nukes.
The whole country, including the military is malnourished.
They have one bloody, suicidal week, providing a target rich environment,
then the food and ammo run out.
All those tubes pointed at 20 million civilians presents another problem.
S Korea isn't going to give them a chance to use them if at all possible.
That exponentially increases the likelihood of miscalculation by Kimmie inducing a hair trigger response from the south.
Then you have the third generation effect.
The third generation of a dynasty, be it political, corporate or a family business, all seem to all have a penchant for an absolutely disastrous decision making processes.
"May you live in interesting times"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 30, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
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Like they didn't watch CNN during the Gulf Wars? They know they'll be
wiped out. The guys in the funny hats live a good life, why would they
want to end that? You have to view these clowns as you would any gang in
LA - they're just talking smack because that's what they do and Rodney Dangerfield
is their inspiration.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Mar 30, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
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nobody seems to pay attention to that Northern border between India and Pakistan
YDP18s
Not necessarily true. Back in 1995, working towards my master at Cal State Hayward/EastBay, the professor of the International Communications course asked the class (about 30) to divide into groups and pick a 'hot topic'.
To digress, I have to add that many in the class could not even point to most countries on a map, (including the three Swedes in the class). And these were senior undergrads or post-grads.
Knowing that I was journalist for seven years in Britain and that I had worked in Ireland, the group that picked Northern Ireland's Troubles asked me to join.
I picked Kashmir as a potential hot spot, given the past conflicts and both India and Pakistan have the bomb. I was the only one in my 'group', the others broke into several groups that had more, shall we say, media attention for their hot spots.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Mar 30, 2013 - 08:55pm PT
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Yeah. Pakistan and India gets pretty crazy sometimes.
As per any first strike, I have to go with an Islamic country.
As far as wars go, the U.S. has done something to or with nigh every country on the planet. That's why everyone hates us. We go to war over the price of gas.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Mar 30, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
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I didn't see any of YOU in Korea. I used to live there.
Chickenhawk, anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
Put up or shut up. You ever been to The Z?
Speculate much?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 31, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
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You ever been to The Z?
Skully tell us young kid'z more about this fat boy and his mighty military.
puff puff!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 31, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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Has anybody mentioned that, technically, we are still in a state of war with North Korea?
It has just been an uneasy cease fire/glaring contest for 60 years.
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