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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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The possibility of a medical condition is interesting. I have heard about the "healthy person" seizure before. The figure quoted was 1 in a 100 otherwise healthy people will have this at some point in their lives (good point to think about before you solo). Maybe a doctor can post up about this.
Why did John Bachar fall? Maybe it was related to his neck issues? Just like with Jack we will never know.
Jack sounds like he was quite a guy.
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RDB
Social climber
wa
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
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It does indeed make one rethink soloing @ past 50.
And trust me...never trust the medical community to know you...as well as YOU, know you.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, RDB....
not saying this is the reason, of course...
just sharing the info, for folks to just have an understanding what
seizures are, etc, do, and all that...
it might help other mysteries, as to when folks have something
happen, and can't remember WHAT or WHY, something happened...
keep a look-out, too, if this happens a lot in your family, or friend
circles:
THERE are more than 40types of seizures among these
main guidelines (so the epilepsy ontario, site says--those some folks
say, there is even more variety in this, as well)
HERE YOU GO:
these last about 2-10 seconds, the person does not remember:
http://epilepsyontario.org/absence-seizures/
these last about 2-10 seconds,
some folks say they don't remember these,
but many others, DO... :
http://epilepsyontario.org/simple-partial-seizures/
THESE folks do NOT remember, they last about
__2-4 min, with 'groggy dazed after affects
and confusion':__
http://epilepsyontario.org/complex-partial-seizures/
*these can later lead to grand mal (clonic tonic)
THIS one, in this case, does not sound it would have applied
at all--but is good to know about, for all of us:
http://epilepsyontario.org/tonic-clonic-seizures/
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, yeah, RDB ... one can just try to put puzzle pieces together for our loved ones....
there are thousands of folks having seizures, that never know, until a full blown has built up...
this type of situation, though, is only discovered after years of noticing behavior changes, as it progresses...
(and habits that are listed on the links)...
or--when someone falls...
also, if it had been a seizure then??
perhaps??(would have to ask EXPERTS on this) once it has
passed, the BODY FEELING itself fall, AT THAT POINT???
may very well go into the normal mode of what jack did when he fell...
even if confused...
grasp tools, etc, ... but these are just among all the
various guesses, to help you all...
:)
take a READ on some of these links and see if you
witnessed anything similar...
that may help...
the fact that he did NOT know what happened, is what got me
to THINK on the seizure line... (or mini stroke, another angle entirely)
god bless to you, :)
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, AP...
also, good not to go swimming or fishing, alone, as well...
these are FAR more common than folks realize...
car accidents, too, have been linked to folks that did not know
they had seizure activity...
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Aug 22, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Rick Accomazzo wrote a wonderful memorial to Jack in
the 2013 American Alpine Journal.
Thanks, Rick.
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