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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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And yes - I have travelled more than you can probably imagine.
You can take up a collection for me to fly to Peru anytime - I will be happy to go..
just listen to riley............the biggest most arrogant blowhard that ever posted on the taco.
why the hell dont you guys get this?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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When we were down in South America Bolivia, Columbia, Brazil and Peru it wasn't until we got into Peru that we started getting problems.
The fuking Peruvians were thieves and we constantly were getting ripped off.
We had to constantly guard and watch our stuff.
We needed body guards in one area with machine guns to protect us from the cocaine cartel.
Those cocaine cartel fukers blew up all the bridges in that area.
When we landed at the small air strip we had to have military protection there also.
They will kill Americans in certain areas of Peru because the Americans were eradicating their drug fields with their "War on Drugs" program.
They hate Americans in certain areas, so beware.
Cuzco is relatively safe but outside the city you have to be careful of thieves, robbers and general fuk heads everywhere.
the second blowhard award goes to................
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Hawkeye, you're simply singling out people who disagreed with you on other threads.
Give it a rest and contribute something useful to the thread.
It would be a first, and I'm sure we'd be astounded by your concise assertions.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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just whose fields were these folks camping by?
more female guides -
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vininja
Social climber
NJ
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So what happened to the climbing gear? The post here and on MP labels these people as climbers.
Are there threads on Cascades or bicyling or backpacker or travel forums?
This story and shopping list makes me think that this girl thinks that Americans should be rescued by Bill Clinton and have all new American possessions waiting for them when they get back home.
4k for a laptop?? Sheeesh
Why not list 30k for a Toyota. Just leave that beater behind. Don't ship it back.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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"if ya cant beat em join em" or the local Peruvian Flake version, "if you can't join them, beat them."
Vajayjay, I posted the whole thing (on P 5!) as the link wasn't working for me and I also put it here for posterity, so that if that link or the text is gone we can all reflect on it and remember the truth later at our leisure.
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Prod
Trad climber
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I can't find anything in any news wire about this.
Prod.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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any time you step across the border you are on your own,
even tiajuana can be dangerous on a bad night,
frickin savage pigmies, i would go back down and clean out those toothless midgets with an AK, jus sayin, a pigmy has got to know his limitations, do you feel lucky today pigmy? well do ya? nice peacock outfit pigmy, and your beer ain't bad,know you gonna die!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Gee, who coulda predicted this would turn into a pissing contest?
If those people had rolled like the Germans we met in Ushuaia they
wouldn't have had no probs!
APC, baby. Bring it!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Whoh, best question de jour. vininja
Social climber
NJ
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
So what happened to the climbing gear? The post here and on MP labels these people as climbers.
They did have climbing adventures. You'd think that the villagers could have used the ropes, even if pickets or deadmen were not needed to tie up their donkeys or they weren't in the gear stash to begin with. Maybe she forgot to list all the gear? Maybe the gear wasn't stolen?
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Prod
Trad climber
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I'll be glad to kick the sh#t out of anyone of you..anytime,,just say the word
Can you go after Locker for losing my shoes?
Prod.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Seriously Riley. Chill, man.
Breathe, we are all here because we are climbers.
No more threatening to meet someone in a dark alley and beat their ass, OK?
You're way better than that.
Pick a place to travel to next year or this fall, and I'm in. It'd be cool to tie in with you after all these years of Internet friendship.
Best,
Brandon
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John M
climber
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Cavaet.. I did not read the first link. I can't get it to work. I read the second link.
I'm still not buying your interpretation Riley. Its not that I 100 percent accept their story. I don't. I thnk they mishandled it, but I also think their mishandling of it didn't need to end with them getting the sh#t kicked out of them nor their truck destroyed.
The lady who wrote the report is obviously traumatized. You have no way of knowing just what happened, but you seem to be automatically on the side of the villagers. I'm not. I'm not on either side. I tend to lean towards this being a village shakedown that went wrong and probably could have ended with just a bribe.
Just as a reminder.. the woman who wrote the report y'all are reading is not the two who were traveling down their extensively. It was the visiting sister who was only there for 10 days. Who knows what the other two will say.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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You're way better than that.
uhhh, looks like NOT better than that. Maybe should read, You "CAN" be better than that. I know that's what I'd think of Riley. Don't let folks get yer goat dude.
Ifn ya have a goat.....
Brandon says "Chill".
Brandons got it right.
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andy@climbingmoab
Big Wall climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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I've spent a fair amount of time in that part of Peru. I felt lots of tension outside of the tourist-frequented parts of the area - the local campesinos I talked to were angry about getting impacted by tourism but getting no benefit from the tourism dollars. They felt like foreigners, wealthy business people, and people in the government were getting rich while they were getting the shaft, and I can't say there are wrong about that. I changed my plans to continue on to the Lake Titicaca area after seeing protests in Cuzco, and was glad I did - villagers rioted and lynched the mayor of a town near Titicaca as I was traveling back to Lima.
I've traveled really extensively both driving and via public transport in Central and South America with no real problems, but my trouble radar has never gone off as much as it did in the Cuzco region outside of the usual Cuzco/Machu Picchu circuit. I think these people are leaving a lot out of their account and the tone in which they are soliciting money really makes me question their judgement, but it is easy to imagine how a bad situation can escalate in that area.
Some of the fear and xenophobia on display in this thread is really embarrassing.
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John M
climber
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Darwin awards to those who think it smart to be-bop around in third worlds.
You built your end of days bomb shelter yet Ron?
Come on man. Its not that bad. Just like America.. there are parts you need to be aware of, and parts that are very safe.
One thing though.. all the shuffling around by the authorities is pretty common. You have to learn to stand up for yourself.
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burntheman
Trad climber
slt
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Add in a little showing off something locals couldn't afford in 8 lifetimes:
what a mid 90's toyota tacoma with a modest pop up camper?.. for driving to the tip of south america. should they have taken something more modest and reliable like a 60s ford econoline?
"After a year and half of relentless searching we finally found our baby, an extremely beat up Toyota Tacoma TRD with a great motor and only 130,000 miles all for $ 4,400"
you guys are unf*#kingbelievable.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Where are Anastasia's boobs when we need them. Calm down boys.... ha
I can totally relate to the victim's situation and experience. I hate to see people picking on them now. I've traveled a bunch (years actually) in India and a good bit in Mexico and South America. I try to cut a pretty low profile, but still, I have a tone of "rich people shit" with me all the time. Phones, tablets, expensive sleeping bags and tents and stoves, bicycles, and if I'm climbing then climbing equipment. That's what we do, we travel with our expensive toys and look for adventures. Been there and done that, and I certainly can't criticize it in itself.
But then look at the world through other people's eyes. Their kids don't have shoes, their newborns die for lack of $5 of medicine. They are uneducated and undernourished. And in comes a gaggle of gringos with many thousands of dollars worth of TOYS. That really is what our equipment is. Anyway, there is naturally going to be some tension in the situation. And there is always a few teenage boys around who could care sh#t about "Christian values" taught them by their grandparents. Hell, just grab some of that good sh#t.
To me the whole world is just f*#ked, and when you go to the third world you're getting a bit closer to the simmering anger. With good karma you meet only peaceful and content peasants. With even a little bad karma you may run into some angry peasants.
I friend of mine - 67 year old itinerant yoga teacher - rode his bicycle from California heading to Usuia (southern tip of Argentina). Got his bike nicked in Lima. ha Maybe there is some truth to the rumors about Peru in particular.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Sounds like we need to be donating to the villagers who need it more Rocker. Looks like it may be possible that the travelers have more $ tied up in clothing alone than the entire village makes annually.
I've only recently been able to afford those kind of coats myself so I do recognize the value. Never been able to quit work and do this kind of a trip, but there's still hope. Regardless, I don't mean to harsh anyone's buzz and wish them well. Probably worth less till they can get the blood cleaned off anyway.
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