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AndyO
Social climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Dec 21, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 21, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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Concerning the NRA.....no pill needed.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 21, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the board meeting when the NRA was discussing the language of today's press conference. "God damn liberal media!"
Yeah, lets rethink freedom of the press in this day and age of instant news reporting. We can limit the media so that we do not have to regulate gun ownership. Forget about the fact that without the main stream media we would be relying on citizen bloggers, that would be great!
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Dec 21, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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The First Amendment addresses the rights of freedom of religion (prohibiting Congress from establishing a religion and protecting the right to free exercise of religion), freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of petition.
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
Funny first the rights or freedom of speech then after they agreed on that they gave us the rights to own, make and buy guns. The first two things.
There is talk of Security guards protecting all schools by the Stupid NRA: Police $$$$$$$$$$$,stupid idea since they should be looking for crime not guarding or waiting for something to happen. National Guard $$$$$$$$$$, another stupid idea. How about giving teachers to arm themselves: let’s see one goes ballistic because one of her students can’t shut up or does not hand in his/her homework in time or maybe she shoots and her round misses and goes through the plaster board and kills a kid in the class next to hers.
Yes! The answer will be to hire private guards. The contractor with the lowest bid will win and hire Ex-Walmart employees, retired people in their 70’s also will hire “Back to Work off Welfare People” ; $9 an hour; they will eventually get bored because nothing happens and they caught for smoking pot. Big scandal, billions of wasted dollars, so try another idea.
Cameras never work; fuzzy and lack of time to respond, plus too way expensive to buy A11M technology. I see there is someone selling Bullet-proof backpacks; first no such thing it is Bullet Resistant/Resistive terminology plus it stops handguns not high power rounds shot from a high power semi-automatic rifle like the one used in the school so waste of funds and law suits concur from that manufacture by cutting cost and disregarding regulated and code because he was awarded the lowest bid which is the requirement by the FEDS. He files for Bankruptcy and runs out of town. Plus the kid was shot in the head so no protection.
So all stupid ideas and give it to the stupid NRA to come up with stupid solutions.
OK
Just went to my local probation department this morning not for me but to hand in some papers dealing with a juvenile stealing some of my personal stuff 15 months ago; we went to trail, he gets a year’s probation and 250.00 fine which is my deductible. Had one week to replaced everything because I went overseas, came back insurance company pays me 6/7 months later when I get back.
So I walk in, it is fortified, had to laugh since I do risk assessments. The woman behind the window asks “Can I help you”, I say need to drop these off to one of your staff regarding going back to court to get the deductible: reason for his fine. We will go to court late Jan. of 2013.
Before she comes out I am assessing the room and see four mistakes, windows, access, lighting…… 2 minutes or less she shows up opens the door and I notice her left shoe toe is against her side of the door and held the door with her right hand to stop entry which was good, she relaxed, gave her the papers she requested and then I knock on the glass window just above programmable lock. I hit and notice it is not glass but plastic [mistake assessment #5] and was so thin could of broken it easily. But I asked her what’s wrong with this, she says ???? “Knocking on the window instead of the door” I said “no” this door is the same setup how the kid got in the classrooms by shooting and opening it in from the inside. She is startled and says “Wow, you are correct”, thanked me and told she will make a note of it and will tell the appropriate people. Then told her where it should be placed.
So what will happen and is already in action for protection for children so they are safe: smaller windows to the outside of the new schools. Older schools will be updated with precast panels with a spray on fragmented resistive membrane on the back to shield at the appropriate height. The children will be placed further away from the windows not near them, Latches to doors will be wired for wireless automatic shutdown by a single or multiple button either by a person or by the sound of a rifle round going off.
Canada has a Sin-Tax: cigarettes and booze. Have the NRA keep their stupid ideas and create a Violence Tax not an anti-violence because Americans well some actually a lot of them like Violence; as for me, I am not one of them on all rifles that are military styled.
Booze and guns have you ever notice the prices have really never changed in the last 50 years; so double the amount 50% on assault rifles and ammo. Half or that 50% tax is used for upgrading schools. Make sure they do not look like forts but blend in and use green products.
And that is just for schools what about violence against women and rape, pedophiles against children.
But then again really nothing just like the battery commercial; it keeps going and keeps going.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 21, 2012 - 08:11pm PT
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Just WRONG about prices not changing, Lost.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 21, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
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I just hope that if there is civil unrest and predators at my friend donini's door that he can keep them at bay tossing used Depends and brandishing ice tools.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Dec 21, 2012 - 09:27pm PT
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Right….
The NRA says there should be a cop in every school with a gun….
LaPieair didn't mention who was going to pay all those cops…
And don't ask the law and order republigoons for any taxes to pay for it…
hey, may Gov cromneycan ask his supporters to foot the bill…?
Doubt it all around.
NRA - New Stooge Association - Where great ideas haven't got a chance in hell!!!
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AE
climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 21, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
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This is the other thread
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2020096&tn=40#msg2021455
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
my addition re:
the NRA Monument to Stupidity
(instead of my reposting it here, although perhaps that would be even more effective)
I also KNEW Mr. O was gonna have to go off re his gun-totin' wackness.
The saddest aspect to all this is our country once had an optimism that brought people together in crises; now, the prepper mindset has fostered a culture of cowardly, fearful, paranoid loners convinced they can somehow survive without anyone else, as long as they can kill everyone who approaches. What if, pray tell, those are actually people gracious enough to be coming to your assistance?
Wait a little while, and we'll get to see the first unarmed gunman, who walks into a school, grabs the nearest firearm off a teacher/guard then....
Or, the wierdo who gets a job "guarding" a school, then takes out a few dozen...
A story a few days ago summed it up succinctly: as long as such weapons are readily available, no amount of protection will be adequate, as made clear in the fact that Ronald Reagan and Jim Brady were surrounded by the best-trained, armed security in the world - Secret Service agents - yet were both nearly killed. The concept of armed defenders is total B.S.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 21, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_race
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma
"The Cold War
The Cold War and similar arms races can be modelled as a Prisoner's Dilemma situation.[22] During the Cold War the opposing alliances of NATO and the Warsaw Pact both had the choice to arm or disarm. From each side's point of view: Disarming whilst your opponent continues to arm would have led to military inferiority and possible annihilation. If both sides chose to arm, neither could afford to attack each other, but at the high cost of maintaining and developing a nuclear arsenal. If both sides chose to disarm, war would be avoided and there would be no costs. If your opponent disarmed while you continue to arm, then you achieve superiority.
Although the 'best' overall outcome is for both sides to disarm, the rational course for both sides is to arm. This is indeed what happened, and both sides poured enormous resources in to military research and armament for the next thirty years until the dissolution of the Soviet Union broke the deadlock."
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 21, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
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Got to agree, stupid idea on at least 3 levels.
Public schools are just one of the things my people came up with. In Israel a teacher actually shot and killed a terrorist, but in Israel every citizen does 2 years (women included) in the world's finest military.
Can't arm teachers here, but can't pay for armed guards who can't be everywhere at once anyway.
Guns are not going away soon (no matter how many times you click your heels and wish on a star) so maybe it is time for a cultural change. Maybe we need to drop the rudeness. Maybe we need to destigmatize mental health issues.
I've said it before; make this a world people want to be part of.
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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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Dec 21, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
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Great thread title. The answer is yes. The NRA is in for a serious haircut over the next few years.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Dec 21, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
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Personally, I think more people should buy more cameras. With a camera you can shoot all the effing time AND retrieve yer shots!
The government could have a program where as if somebody goes in to buy a gun, the salesman has to say, " Yes, that 45 is really nice but we have an 18 MP crop sensor here by Canon that you can take home fer less - here, take a couple shots - tell me what you think ".
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AE
climber
Boulder, CO
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Dec 21, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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Ed,
Why has no one noted how quickly we then annihilated the Soviets?
Oh, guess it was because we didn't.
Hmm. Makes one pause.
Unfortunately, the world has a few total nutjobs, along with a few total nut countries. I do not feel strongly about the lack of Russian firepower, the continuing strength of China, but I DO worry about adding Iran and Pakistan and North Korea to the list.
Extending the analogy, I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that at least reasonably trained law enforcement officers are the ones likely to be responding to the rare assault event, versus Rambo Ron types who are more likely to hit one another, or other innocents, in a melee, or even a simple false alarm.
The myth of the old West gunslinger is just that - very few law-abiding citizens packed sidearms, yet miraculously most of them survived.
Back on topic, clearly the NRA's primary agenda, now that Obama's reelected, is to sell as many sponsor's weapons and bullets as possible, and what better method than to convince paranoid populations that arming schools will somehow make them safer?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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NRA is a big part of the problem
Scalia is a bigger part.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
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while the idea of having armed guards at school is abhorrent. our current laws and near term future laws dealing with weapons WOULD NOT prevent a Sandy hook from happening.
the only thing that could have prevented sandy hook is an armed guard....
as abhorrent as that may be.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
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the only thing that could have prevented sandy hook is an armed guard....
Rain on your parade
What if Adam (whatshisname) did not have any guns and/or bullets
He won't make it to 80 - his kind consumes themselves from within
Probably true about the consumption, but it wouldn't surprise me if he lasts longer. I try not to wish anyone ill, so I won't. However, should he pass on, I would not be grieving.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
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the only thing that could have prevented sandy hook is an armed guard....
as abhorrent as that may be.
note..........i said could as in possible.........not an absolute.....
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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Jingy writes:
"The NRA says there should be a cop in every school with a gun….
LaPieair didn't mention who was going to pay all those cops…
And don't ask the law and order republigoons for any taxes to pay for it"
Paying for it would be easy - it would not cost one extra dollar, if our dollars were spent intelligently.
Right now in California, cops, sheriffs, CHP, prison guards, and parole officers are able to retire at fifty years old with 90% of their pay as their pension.
Instead of retiring at fifty, cops, CHP, etc. should be re-assaigned to school security - at 90% of their former pay - when they turn fifty, and be required to work until they're 67 before retiring.
A better idea would be to just get rid of mass assembly style schooling, and school the kids at home.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
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You can still have public education.
But instead of gathering all the kids together at school, you send the education to the kids in their homes.
Kids don't have to sit within sight of the chalkboard or within earshot of the teacher anymore if you take advantage of modern media delivery methods - such as DVD and internet - and educate the kids right where they live.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 21, 2012 - 11:52pm PT
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Let society go to hell, we can do everything from our bunkers.
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