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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Sorry for your ropes and the pain in the ass it had to be to fix that portion of the wall, seems pretty steep to me...
As far as Graniteclimber goes he is faggotry of the highest order.
(I mean that in the South Park version of the word :D)
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Steve, The ropes were in place at 11:00 am on the 16th of November(may have been the 17th). That is the last time I went by them. The bottom rope had not blown out of reach and the lines looked good enough that I would have jugged them.
As far as the trash left arguement goes, I was planning on going up these lines with Steve to finish the attempted line. I am kind of a safety nazi, and looking at them on several of my times by in the previous week, I saw nothing wrong with them that would have caused me to not jug them. They were used, but sound appearing. Typical of any line I would have left for a fixed line.
Sorry to hear about the theft. I hope someone gets a guilt trip ride of their life over this. Just plain wrong, no matter how they try to justify it.
Burly Bob
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oldtopangalizard
Social climber
ca
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OK, Werner throwing out the 'faggot gerbil' reference makes this entire thread a must read.
BTW, I agree with him on this one.
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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"Don't blink." - The Doctor
...if you do, you'll miss a half dozen posts
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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DMT... You've gone too far this time.
Irony is defined as incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.
What you're talking about is better defined as a COINCIDENCE - A sequence of events that, although accidental, seems to have been planned or arranged.
http://dragreduction.blogspot.com/2005/11/irony-vs-coincidence.html
1995 was a long time ago, and NONE of us - EVEN YOU DMT - have an excuse for turning to Alanis Morrisette as an English teacher.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Hope your get your stuff back Steve. Some people will go to great lengths to justify theft. It's still theft.
Agree with this sediment too: "Do not be concerned with nameless, faceless and dickless detractors, for they carry no merit nor credibility."
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RP3
Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
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Suck about the theft... and the rope that is now stranded high on the wall in a difficult place to access.
However, I do recall seeing your lines up there in early October. I guess something just bothers me about leaving lines fixed on El Cap for months at a time. I understand that you were working on a damn hard ascent and that you are often (unfortunately) relegated to weekend warrior status. However, if every weekend warrior working on an ascent that was at their limit left lines on El Cap for months, the rock would be a rat's-nest. Certain people should not get free passes that the rest of us are not allowed.
That being said, you are a great guy, Steve, and I hope you get your property back. I met you on Virginia years ago and I would love to have a chance to get to know you better. Good luck.
-Roger Putnam
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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If you leave your bicycle outside and unlocked and it gets stolen, it's theft and a crime but it's your own damn fault it got stolen.
Is there anything different about this situation?
The "good karma/bad karma" / "where is the community?" / "what's up with our tribe?" / "crime in national parks, we're climbers and this shouldn't happen to us" spew is just plain stoopid.
A stupid thief stole something from a stupid victim. So?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Hey madbolterdude...good post. Thanks
Seems that topic is finally laid to rest...finally.
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fat-n-sassy
Social climber
San Francity, CA
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The REAL question is:
Who wants to rap the nose with me and get those other ropes back?
I bet we could sell them and cover the gas $$ to get to the valley and back.
Does anyone know how many leaver-biners I should bring?
(Sorry 'bout the ropes Steve, hope you get up the route come spring time. Getting up the route, that's what's important here.)
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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From unexpected voices I am hearing it is perfectly OK to leave stuff on the rock for a long time. Is this really the consensus here?
Nope. 24 hours sounds like a reasonable time to me. Now, back to studying the "John Long fell in the gym" thread.
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RideOn
Boulder climber
High in the Desert
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First, I hope you get your cords back.
Second, your cords were up there from AT LEAST the early part of October. Not a month. They were there the entire time I was, and Pete's ledge was hanging at the top of them for a good portion of that time.
And while they may not have been the exact same ropes, the fact remains that there were one or another of yours, Pete's, or Cory's lines up there for basically the entire fall season. Personally, I couldn't care less, it's not like they were on the Zodiac or Salathe or something that sees traffic. But the difference between a month and two months, or them being there mid season when locals expect to find fixed lines and past the end of the normal climbing season, when they start looking like someone just left trash, is an important point.
Third, you can buy a 200meter spool of 10mm static line for about ~$350. I did so this summer, so your cost estimate is WAY off. I also find it hard to believe that with your history, connections, resume etc, that you don't have a rope sponsor.
In any case, good on you for going to retrieve them, hope you get them back, and good luck finishing it off in the spring.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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It's just plain outright theft.
"Officer, I left my diet Coke cup full in the parking lot by the 7-11 a month ago and someone stole it. Half of it had evaporated but it was still drinkable. I was coming to get it. Please prosecute them!"
Yep. Plain and outright. No ambiguity in this situation.
Dave
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Just one more reason I will never ever return to the "Ditch".
Drama of shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitwads.
LOL
That's why you are on internet talking sh#t to random people everyday. Dumbass. Valley seems like a perfect rat nest for you maggot.
Hope Steve gets his ropes back. Doesn't seem to me like he was doing something out of ordinary. I heard of people fixing a few pitches a week for a month up there during winter...someone can define it as trashing the place...but whatever.
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RP3
Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
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Like I said, I really hope the ropes turn up.
However, I can't help but think that this is the NPS response to the theft:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Thanks for posting this RideOn
Second, your cords were up there from AT LEAST the early part of October. Not a month. They were there the entire time I was, and Pete's ledge was hanging at the top of them for a good portion of that time.
And while they may not have been the exact same ropes, the fact remains that there were one or another of yours, Pete's, or Cory's lines up there for basically the entire fall season. Personally, I couldn't care less, it's not like they were on the Zodiac or Salathe or something that sees traffic. But the difference between a month and two months, or them being there mid season when locals expect to find fixed lines and past the end of the normal climbing season, when they start looking like someone just left trash, is an important point.
Third, you can buy a 200meter spool of 10mm static line for about ~$350. I did so this summer, so your cost estimate is WAY off. I also find it hard to believe that with your history, connections, resume etc, that you don't have a rope sponsor.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Bachar would go look for them. He would do that for friends.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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First of all, I have to admit that, being about the same age as Steve, that I'm astounded that folks that damn old are still able to contemplate freeing old El cap lines, particularly now that the never-was-that-low hanging fruits have been plucked.
as for the lines, I've had fixed lines bugging me on walls I've done before and have mixed feelings about them, less so for routes that nobody does. Fact is that for folks trying to free hard hard aid routes these days, long periods of fixed lines is standard procedure and it's good that Steve took the care to keep his fixed lines off any trade routes
I'm a little bit dirtbag but it's hard to imagine being dirtbag enough to steal old stiff fixed lines. Few people need them that don't have them and they really aren't worth much. My guess is that whoever took them down either has a grudge against Steve or has his moral panties in a bunch, much like a bolt chopping mentality
peace
karl
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Hey everyone, try this:
Make sure you're logged in, and click on the RideOn icon. This will take you to the SuperTopo member profile. Then click on "forum posts" and you will see that RideOn is a brand new user ID, created specifically to spread disinformation. This brand new user was quoted by micro-penis boy above as though it was somehow factual. O'Really?
My ledge was up there with Steve all of about three days, before it became apparent that we did knott have time to finish the route before he and Cory had to return to work. So we moved kit over to another route, and climbed that instead.
Now, if you are *really* clever, and know how to do this, you will find that RideOn and Graniteclimber are both posting from the same IP address, meaning they are the same person. Fascinating, eh?
Truly, one wonders what is up Granite climber's tw#t.
I should also mention that I jugged and rapped Steve's ropes for those several days I was up there climbing with him, and while they were indeed very stiff and a bit sunbleached, they were not abraded. And being 11mm stiffy caving ropes, a bit of abrasion means nothing, as the ropes are specifically designed to become a bit abraded and still work. I can tell you that the ropes were completely safe, although very herky-jerky to rappel on.
Another thought is that the person who removed the ropes might have honestly believed they were abandoned? In which case, would they please return the ropes to Steve?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Best feckin' popcorn thread in a long time!
Steve, don't hold your breath on ever seeing your stuff, or a bust.
In 1980, I felt like a loser for leaving lines on the first pitches of the P.O. Wall for a week, even though there was no competition over there at the time.
A month is too long. I have my own longstanding boner about "freeclimbing project" ropes being left up at Smith Rocks endlessly BITD.
That being said, dropping all the low ropes and leaving something up high is just straight up DICK MOVE!
Oh yeah, faggot gerbil is classic too.
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