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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
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Actually Happigirl, I'm the one you need to talk to. I for one appreciated your efforts to get people to act in a more sensible fashion. Let me know when you hit town if you plan to stay there again, I'll make sure you have my phone # if there are issues.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Oct 31, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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I would think a tree would really spruce things up...or maybe some Rasperry carbuncle.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Oct 31, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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Okay Robert - will get in touch when I land.
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jstan
climber
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Oct 31, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
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Now that the Pit is on a good path I have been working on Coyote Hole. Today I saw perhaps the most tragic thing I have ever seen.
After I had actually scrambled up some rocks( woohoo!) and finished the right canyon I ran into a boulderer.
(That was not tragic. Bear with me)
He said there was trash in the left canyon. This is what I found.
1. Crayons
2. A box for a baby stroller
3. Socks for a baby
4. Trash everywhere
5. Materials from a 7th or 8th grade class
6. Broken beer bottles
and a syringe
Lynn asked me why I left Santa Barbara. The house I was in there was finished. Everyone you meet there on the street was a CEO. Everyone was hugely educated.
There wasn’t a thing there for me to do.
It was pretty, sure.
But life isn’t only about pretty.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
moving thru
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Oct 31, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
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Thanks for your info, jstan.
How great that you have chosen to move around this planet, to grow and broaden your life making this world we inhabit more lovely. Super example to many, showing that a persons life can continue to evolve as you try out new ideas.
Blessings, lynnie
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Oct 31, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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Hey, dickcilley , we missed you up here this year--hopefully, you can come back and climb the dozen(s) of cracks that you missed...
Kevin
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
moving thru
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Oct 31, 2012 - 10:06pm PT
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Does it really matter :D ?? Glasses do not the person make. But then I'm being too serious on a holiday night. lynne
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susan peplow
climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Oct 31, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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Hey Coz,
I've pretty much been out of the beat-up-on-Coz thing but this one really gets my goat. JStan has the one of the locals who's ACTUALLY doing something. Donating his time and efforts REGULARLY to clean up MY community. The man is done & gone with his community service before I'm even done with my cyber-cafe morning.
So, Mr. Hypocrite who was just patting his own back a few posts ago about being able to avoid the Pit with "a few days of guiding" get off your high-horse! JStan is a pillar of this community to be respected and admired and shame on you for beating him down. And for that matter, Lynne who appreciates the effort. For what's left as your own reputation I recommend you retract now as "joking' while you still can.
~Susan Peplow
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jstan
climber
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Oct 31, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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With the internet we have an important new tool. Instantaneous communication. Now I expected a mixture of positive and negative reactions when we all first went to work on the Pit. The topic of this thread. The reactions are nearly all positive. This implies there is interest to do more out there and communication is the key to helping that happen.
There is a second Pit in the area and the JT Clean Team is working on it. Today they worked on Rt. 62 at La Contenta. I found the road West of that intersection was ten times dirtier than the roads maintained by the Clean Team. The residents of Joshua Tree have a very real reason to applaud that great group.
Today in Coyote Hole I saw more ancient rock art I had not before noticed. The area is an irreplaceable asset. If we would give them the chance the people who lived in the area long ago could, in a sense, now become included among us. What I described earlier, suggests we today, need all the help we can get.
http://www.petroglyphs.us/photographs_petroglyphs_coyote_hole_joshua_tree_CH.htm
Coz, I am sorry that I am unable to please you. If I read you correctly you are a person who goes out and does what you think you need to do. I have not had a negative word to say about what you either do or say. I plan to continue giving you this regard.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Word Sooze.
That just seemed so mean spirited towards a guy who is doing something so positive for the benefit of so many.
Keep up the good work jstan!
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jstan
climber
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Purpose gives one the power to act.
Purpose gives a community the power
to do the impossible.
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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Jstan, thank you for so much of the work you're doing out there. You're not patting yourself on the back. You're doing work to make a place we love and even better place. You have all my respect and back patting. If I see you out there I WILL pat you on the back and give you a huge hug for all you've done. Cheers bro.
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rurprider
Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
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jstan.....I've never stayed at The Pit, but appreciate what you and Robert are doing and that the climbing community has this resource available because of you, both. "THANK YOU!
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2012 - 07:06am PT
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Hmmm, I don't really see John patting himself on the back at all. What I see is someone who is stepping up to the plate and doing his level best to support the very community that the detractors on this thread claim to care so much about.
That strikes me as very hypocritical.
If anything John deserves every bit of the praise he has received and more. He came to me with a plan. He had already done his home work on what it would take. I told him, go for it, and he did. It's just that simple.
Now we have a clean slate to work from. Where it leads totally depends on the user group of the pit.
Hopefully with a little more interaction things can improve.
Only time will tell.
If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. If things do improve this season, then everybody wins.
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J. Werlin
Social climber
Cedaredge, CO
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"But really why do u guys need to talk about this here?"
Maybe because this forum is about climbing and the climbing community?
At its best, anyway.
Big cheers to JStan. You are an exceptional example of what focus and energy can accomplish.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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From considerable experience, I suspect jstan only talks about what he does because part of his role is as a teacher and role model. He's a modest, quiet character, doing what he thinks needs to be done, and hoping that others will join in. And he does an enormous amount of useful work, both directly and as a sort of ambassador.
He once mentioned that having crews working on the highways out of Yosemite worked quite well, as it was high visibility, i.e. good advertising for the FaceLift.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
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Well Scott, the Internet represents nothing more than a very large scale platform for communication.
A very long time ago we (humans) used things like smoke signals, foot runners, etc. As time has progressed, communication techniques have progressed as well.
Somebody here already mentioned that this is a climbing website.
Your comment that has raised the ire of others may have been intended as a stab at humor, but I think the rest of us took it as a ad hominem attack on John and a few others.
It is unfortunate that you seem to not understand why this topic, very climbing related, has come to a *gasp* climbing forum.
The intent is to raise awareness of a very real problem. Then try to deal with it. Since this is a communal problem, it needs to be addressed in that fashion.
Personal money has been spent out of pocket by both myself, John, and the owner over the years to attempt to provide at least some place for climbers to stay outside of the park. Things have changed since you lived here. The park service is dealing with record numbers of visitors and camping is now a precious commodity. Climbers tend to be the ones who wish to spend more prolonged visits than the NPS is giving us.
I find it rather beguiling that you fail to understand this.
I have refrained from responding to the negative comments made by a few because it detracts from the intent and purpose of what we are trying to accomplish for the community as a whole. For those who seem bent on spewing negativity and venom with regards to this situation and have nothing constructive to add, then there help is not requested or required.
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jstan
climber
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This matter reminds me of what Abe Lincoln called his "public opinion bath." All through his time in office Lincoln dedicated one afternoon each week to hearing whatever people off the street wanted to tell him. That contact made possible his amazingly astute conduct of the struggle. He could not get too far out in front of what the people had decided they were willing to support.
Through the magic of the internet everyone can now receive opinion baths. We all could not have hoped for a better experience than that Scott's post has produced.
Thank you Scott. That was a valuable contribution.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Locker, good humor isn't necessarily obvious. ;-)
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