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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:45am PT
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The fact that this thread exists is proof of the efficasy of billionaires flooding the airwaves with 100s of millions of untraceable dollars to foster an atmosphere of fear and hate.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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The fact that you would say that, philo, is more evidence that submission to demagoguery and willingness to polarize rather than compromise is a great sociall ill.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:55am PT
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The future is brighter than it has been in at least a decade. We are just beginning to recover from the sugar high... read today that consumer debt service (as a percentage of income) is at its lowest point since 1994.
JStan (on the first page) said it all pretty well (and factually).
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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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He must have a hotline to commodity traders.
That's the thing. For the most part, oil prices are driven by speculators
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Oct 15, 2012 - 11:57am PT
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No kidding. I'm still chuckling to myself every few hours over the gas prices are high as heck and it's all Obama's fault thing.
Yep. The president can only be blamed for the stuff he can actually control. He doesn't make legislation, congress does that. Even W. can only be blamed so much for the state of things although the undeclared wars sure did take a toll on our pocket books.
We can, on the other hand, condemn presidents for their philosophy and how they push it onto the country through appointments, executive orders, starting of wars, and things of that sort. I think that the jury is still out on Obama in that regard. He could have pushed harder at socialist stuff but then he would be leaving office very soon had he done that. The congress can be blames and should be much more than they are now. I guess it's just easier to blame one person than it is to blame a large diverse collection of people.
Dave
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2012 - 12:09pm PT
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The spike in gas prices is actually a Kali-generated problem. Rox is undoubtedly celebrating.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Oct 15, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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Well, I haven't lived in CA in more than 20 years, so take this with a grain of salt, but what are the alternatives?
Seems like you are screwed in large part because of two things:
1. Prop 13 - revenue from property taxes does not reflect valuations and has hurt school funding. This could be fixed with enough votes.
2. Public sector pensions - Huge contracted guarantees for state employees such as prison guards. Not sure there is much to be done about this short of the state declaring bankruptcy. You either have to tax enough to cover these, or cut other things to cover them.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 15, 2012 - 12:16pm PT
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"The spike in gas prices is actually a Kali-generated problem. "
Funny that that fact hasn't much entered into any of the gas price rantings heard lately.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2012 - 12:36pm PT
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Facts just get in the way.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
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SteveP...Prop 13 has some issues...This lady friend with a small 3 bedroom , 2 story house , pays the same property tax as me...I own a small 1 bedroom condo...Our state needs a more progressive and fair tax system but i suspect the tea-bag mania thing is going to keep the little guys like me , covering the lost revenue for others that live in larger homes...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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"The Economist" reckons the mortgage-interest deduction benefits rich folk four times its true cost.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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Don't worry, be happy.
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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
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I think that the world has always been 'coming to an end' for those alive at the time, and I don't think we're much different now. That being said, things are different this day in age, mostly because of technology, imo.
Something I've been looking into a little bit- Agenda 21. Very interesting stuff, certainly 'conspiracy theory' type stuff, but I really don't like it.
Video a friend sent me about it, it's kinda long and I'm only halfway through it... thoughts?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
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Something I've been looking into a little bit- Agenda 21. Very interesting stuff, certainly 'conspiracy theory' type stuff, but I really don't like it.
That Agenda 21 stuff is pure conspira-horesh#t. Not interesting at all, except to kooks constantly hiding from The Them.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:24pm PT
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Millenarianism and conspiracy theories have long had a place in U.S. culture. So what else is new?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millenarianism
Anyway, the anti-Christs (little George and big Dick) came and went, and we're still OK.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
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"Anyway, the anti-Christs (little George and big Dick) came and went, and we're still OK."
Oh, I'd say there's at least a few thousand families of US war casualties (not to mention whoknowshowmanyother Iraq/Afghanistan families) who'd vehemently disagree with that.
What blows my mind is that Repugs can somehow convince themselves that what has happened over the last 4 years comes anywhere close to the amount of human and economic damage that occurred on their Party's watch & 'leadership'.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:32pm PT
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Survival,, didnt the guy the WROTE that stupid song commit suicide!??;-)
Ummmm, no, but that's nice republican wishful thinking. :o)
He actually tours with Vernon Reid, but if you don't stretch out beyond the Reno Zone you might not know that.... :o)
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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Ha... Who owns the world bank that has countries by the balls? Answer that and you will discover who really OWNS all of us. Anyway... Life is what it is... Just as long as bombs are not being thrown at me and I eat everyday I consider myself in a good place.
AFS
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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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well dirtbag, I hope you're right! problem with all the 'conspiracies' is that eventually people aren't open to believing any of them because there's been so much crap put out there in the first place. plus it's just goddammed tiring with all these scenarios of how things are going to sh#t....
As far as 'conspiracies' go, however, I'm sure we could be in agreement that a corporation like Monsanto is so deep in bed with the FDA and the governmental system that they'll get their way with GMO crops and food, etc. Just look at the GMO food labeling proposition in CA and the debate on labeling food. I guess my point is that at one point the evil of Monsanto may have been just a 'conspiracy theory' but it sure seems to be beyond theory at this point, at least in my opinion.
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beef supreme
climber
the west
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Oct 15, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
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haha, yea, it's too bad someone gave the big Dick a new heart! he probably got it off the black market... Special forces black ops mission somewhere.....
the anti-christ's, nice.
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