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elcap-pics
climber
Crestline CA
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May 18, 2006 - 01:14am PT
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Yo... I wrote them and said that I assumed that we would not see pictures of this ascent in any of their advertising... keep your eyes open and see if they try to exploit it...
Tom
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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May 18, 2006 - 01:43am PT
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I'm a bit perplexed about "arch climbing" What constitutes an ascent? Do you climb underneath or stroll over the top? If you employ the bow and arrow rig over the apex and jug a fixed rope is that "climbing the arch" ? Just pondering....
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 18, 2006 - 02:23am PT
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MikeL- I like the first point, not sure about the conclusion, though.
working on it
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MikeL
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 18, 2006 - 10:11am PT
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Jay:
Yeah, me neither, actually. It was a theoretical argument, friend.
Sometimes (especially as a university teacher) I see nihilism or chaos all around me. But when I stop and look closer, I see the anarchists together in conforming groups. Anarchy becomes a fashion and people want on board: "Down with the old and up with the new." Those of us who want to be (or are) young at heart want to be a part of the revolution. I think we're all a bit alienated.
Who was it that said, "history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce."
Cheers,
MikeL
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Professor Fate
Big Wall climber
Vulgaria
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May 18, 2006 - 10:40am PT
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I like to watch.
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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May 18, 2006 - 10:41am PT
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I agree with jaybro in that climbign DA in and of itself is not too bad, but I think the publicity was not a good idear. It also seems to be counter to respect and being one with nature so to speak. As far as comparing the great climbers I think this is a difficult thing. Bachar and Croft pushed things in their time and DP pushed things in his. I disagree with those who feel that climbers of today are better. It is much easier mentally today to climb say 5.12 than it was 25-30 years ago. Not to mention all of the information out there on helping one acheive their own climbing goals. Clearly what DP has climbed is sick and is beyond what most of us can imagine. I look at that photo of him on the last 5.10 handcrack on the nose with his rope on his back and I am in awe. I remember being very pumped in that same spot.
Now this is weird. I can't imagine DP doing this (see the link) but I dont know him. Is someone doing this as a joke? Either way it seems kind of pathetic. (see the link) here is what it says.
[url]http://www.mountain.ru/article/article_display1.php?article_id=1032[/url]
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Dean Potter: I NEED HELP!
Dear everyone,
Patagonia is being flooded with complaints by people who are saying I broke the law, hurt the environment and disrespected nature by free soloing Delicate Arch. None of those accusations are true, but people keep repeating them. It would help morale and give a balanced set of comments if they heard from people who support judgments based on fact. Here are the facts. You would be doing me and Steph a favor if you would either put this message in your own words or just copy and paste it into an email, then send it to the CEO of Patagonia: Casey_Sheahan@patagonia.com. Additionally, if you have time, a phone call would be great. The free number is 1-888-344-4567 x4802.
Please keep it short if you do call...."I support Dean and his climb of Delicate Arch. It's in line with Patagonia 100%."
Also, please forward this to other people you know who would send this message. The more the better, as there have been a lot of complainers.
Thanks, Dean
"I object to the criticism of Dean's climb of Delicate Arch. It was not illegal. No harm was done to the rock. It is unfair and libelous to criticize Dean on the basis of inaccurate reports and unsubstantiated opinions. I respect Dean's no impact climbing style, and I think it is completely in line with Patagonia's strong environmental ethics. Thank you for supporting Dean."
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Professor Fate
Big Wall climber
Vulgaria
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May 18, 2006 - 10:57am PT
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Being one with nature?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Dat's a good vun.
There is nothing a person can do that removes them from "nature". The atomic bomb is a part of "nature".
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Ed Bannister
Mountain climber
Victorville, CA
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May 18, 2006 - 11:07am PT
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I remember a cold windy morning at red rocks before the opening of the the then Vegas outdoor show. Lot's of people had patagucci pile on, with or without a shell, frozen. I was in a Marmot warm II parka, toasty. And the marmot pile at home fit way better and allowed more motion than a patagonia garment ever hoped to.
With the possible exception of Camalots which were designed by outsourced people, and since the departure of Tom Frost, before most of the readership here was born, the diamomd C and patagonias only superior design, was the label. Oh ya, all the stuff basicly works, but always, there has been a superior product somewhere else to be had for an equal or lower price., In terms of design, workmanship, and sometimes even durability Patagonia has been at best an also ran, in terms or marketing and image? A really superior marketing program, much like Jansport, only not quite as bad, they sold product based on image rather than threadcount, form, function, or regularity of stitches.
Based on what is in your pack, what will serve you better on the crags desert, or wherever you find yourself, you can do better elsewhere.
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