Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:32am PT
|
Catholic HOSPITAL. Methodist HOSPITAL. Here in Loma Linda there's even a Seventh Day Advenist HOSPITAL.
No government necessary.
Good people want to do good things. But intelligent people realise their resources are wasted when trickled through the government.
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:34am PT
|
I work in the ER of a Catholic Hospital; exactly how do you think that makes ANY difference.
[edit]
As I said before:
Chaz, it is patently obvious that you have ABSOLUTELY no idea of what you are talking about.
[edit2]
You think the Vatican just eats the costs?
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:42am PT
|
Catholic, Methodist, Seventh Day Adventist--they all deal with Medicaire, Medicaid, and the same shitty insurance companies.
Churches make a lot of tax exempt money, but you obviously don't understand the scale of costs to care for the uninsured and indigent.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:44am PT
|
Did you look at the links I posted?
What's wrong with what what they found?
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:48am PT
|
Old enough to know if you want something important done right, keep government out of it.
|
|
Degaine
climber
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:49am PT
|
Hi Chaz,
We live in society, not a vacuum. Everything you do effects others and vice versa.
Some obese guy's unhealthy lifestyle on the other side of the country makes my private insurance company rates go up even though I'm perfectly healthy and rarely go to the doctor.
There's ideology - your point of view - and there's the actual data of which systems are more effective, efficient, and less costly than the current US system.
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:50am PT
|
I looked at your links, but they do not deal specifically with the massive healthcare disaster.
You obviously have certain philosophical, and political biases that are dear to your heart that blind you to the reality of our healthcare catastrophe.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:51am PT
|
Chaz, I gotta hand it to you.
Very few people can troll responses like you can.
Keep up the good work!
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:52am PT
|
Old enough to know if you want something important done right, keep government out of it.
So we should get rid of the standing military as many of our founders intended?
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:57am PT
|
Lennox,
I've shown that a dollar dedicated to healthcare will do more good in the hands of a private charitable organization than that same dollar would if spent by the government - by a factor of two or three, at least.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 01:58am PT
|
Warbler,
What makes you think I'm on Medicare?
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:08am PT
|
I've shown that a dollar dedicated to healthcare will do more good in the hands of a private charitable organization than that same dollar would if spent by the government - by a factor of two or three, at least
You are living in a fantasy or drug induced hallucination.
I know of no church that runs a trauma unit--they are usually heavily subsidized by the evil government.
I know of no charitable institution that runs an ICU or even a pediatric ICU or even more dear to the hearts of right-wingers a blastoma ICU--specialists don't take donations.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:08am PT
|
Doesn't one have to be 60 or 65 to be forced ( there's that word again, goes hand-in-hand with anything government does ) onto medicare?
Medicare won't even exist by the time I'm that old. It's only got about twelve years of life left, if things arent changed.
How long before United Way goes broke?
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:10am PT
|
FORCED---damn your an idiot; you are always welcome to go swim to Japan.
[edit}
Isn't United Way one of your vaunted charities?
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:12am PT
|
Government does nothing without force and coercion. It can't, because it has no other tools.
Do you think people pay taxes because they think it goes to a good cause? Or do people pay up because they fear what will happen if they don't?
Force and coercion.
|
|
Degaine
climber
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:13am PT
|
Chaz wrote:
Lennox,
I've shown that a dollar dedicated to healthcare will do more good in the hands of a private charitable organization than that same dollar would if spent by the government - by a factor of two or three, at least.
No, you haven't demonstrated any of that.
You're ideological point of view is warping any ability to clearly understand healthcare and especially healthcare systems.
Universal healthcare does not automatically equal government as the single payer.
France and Germany have a mix (though mostly government single payer), and Japan and Switzerland are primarily private universal healthcare systems. Japan's cost per capita per year is 1/3 that of the US, the other three are roughly half. They all have much better outcomes than the US and provide healthcare to their entire populations.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:14am PT
|
I don't know yet, but can you NOT be in medicare if you're over 65?
|
|
Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:17am PT
|
Do you think people pay taxes because they think it goes to a good cause? Or do people pay up because they fear what will happen if they don't?
Both. But that probably creates too much cognitive dissonance for you; I'm sorry for your pain.
|
|
Degaine
climber
|
|
|
Sep 10, 2012 - 02:46am PT
|
Jim B. wrote:
Americans think we Canadians just roll over and accept whatever tender mercies from our state concerning monies paid.
Of course we do, because admitting the truth would be admitting that we are getting bilked by both insurers, providers, and big pharma, and that would mean admitting to being duped for decades.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!