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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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You can keep Jersey.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Darn!
I suppose I should move to Montana. (Although I once visited Toquerville City Hall to see if Powell's missing men were actually interred there):-)
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NEGuiding
Trad climber
Matawan, NJ
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Oh here we go again! The forum trolls get bored and start bashing and comparing organizations and guiding companies. Don't you guys have anything better to do? Are you just jealous of others? Maybe instead of sitting in front of your computer you should get out and actually do something.
I've been bashed by many of you but I still continue to grow with my business despite your slanderous and pathetic arguments on here. I own and operate one of the largest domestic based guiding outfits on the East coast. I'm VERY proud of what I've done, who I employ and our clients continue to come back because we are professional, fun and just a great group of people. When I first started my company a "British fellow" who had/has a big hold with the AMGA tried "lobbying" the AMGA to me by bashing PCGI, this drove me away from the AMGA because that's just a bad way to do business and very unprofessional. It lead me to PCGI, a GREAT organization run by an amazing group of people! After years of talking with many of them, taking a couple of courses, talking some more I became involved with them as a board member on a business level. It's been nothing but up from there. To sit here and argue about who is better is just plain stupid. The vision of PCGI is to better the climbing guide industry, make GUIDES out of current guides. Frankly, the guides that I've seen come to me with AMGA certifications (SPI mostly) looking for jobs were not great guides but that may be just who they were because I've also seen some great AMGA guides. I've yet to see a bad or unprofessional PCGI or PCIA guide. It's all in the person though not the credential and what information they actually absorb from a course, personality is also key when guiding clients. It seems the AMGA is struggling right now as I see a lot of "guides" taking their courses but I never run into them in the field anymore. Why? Because the credential doesn't get you the job your experience and attitude do. How you present yourself and your guding business to the general public. PCGI started off the same way the AMGA did 30 years ago. Only difference is that PCGI has a great marketing and business team so they have gone way beyond, in the past four years, than AMGA did in that amount of time. What PCGI did in four years took AMGA about 20 years. Shows you what's up right there ;) As for Zeke, I talk with him on almost a daily basis and the whole being drunk thing is a bunch of BS, so Piton Ron why don't you get off the internet for another 2 years and grow up. Stop being childish and taking your life problems out on people on the internet. You also might want to re-check your facts about ...well just about everything. I don't know who you are nor do I care to know such a negative person. I don't care what you've done or who knows you on here.
Well that's my part! So bash away now like you always do because I'm sure you will haha! In fact I'll even pour you another drink Ron to fuel your comments ;)
Cheers,
Joey
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Where is rokjox when we really need him...could use about 10,000 words right now.
Okay, Rokjox is -- temporarily -- unavailable, so I'll distill his 10,00 words down to a few quick sentences:
"Back in the day we didn't need no guides. Real climbers don't need no guides but what passes for climbing now ain't real climbing anyway so it's no wonder a few yuppies who take a couple of courses set themselves up to make money from a bunch of hipsters who think "I did a rock climb" will get them a better job or laid or something."
Maybe not the perfect Rox voice, but the sentiment is right on. Of course he'd have given you 10,000 words, but my version captures the essence.
However, joking aside, all you american pansies who are arguing about guiding should try to get in on the real thing. Yeah, that's right, not one of you could even get into a Canadian mountain guide program. Cuz yer a bunch of hosers, eh.
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jstan
climber
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Going to be sad when someone who can write gets banned.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Going to be sad when someone who can write gets banned.
I'm working on it!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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PCGI started off the same way the AMGA did 30 years ago.
Hmmmm.
It is remarkable how some people get to believing something if they tell it to themselves often enough.
Hey Joey, try a re-read of the thread. At least Zeke corrected himself.
That libation thing is really like red to a bull with you. Get over it. This is the taco. WGAS!
But we are very honored to have you join our little discussion since your reputation for pioneering dick wrenching mega-classic routes all over Jersey precedes you.
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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I decided years ago that guiding was uncomfortably similar to soloing with rope drag.
pretty obvious why ron isn't guiding any more. it's hard to get through any guide training without thinking of yourself as la creme de la creme. clients quickly become part of the group you're looking down your nose at.
jersey joey served up a lot of praise for PCGI but failed to deal with the issue raised by ncrockclimber. if he talks to zeke every day, i'm sure he's been well-coached at ignoring the inconvenient.
part of the mistake of training a rock climbing guide lies in reliance on the YDS itself. gotta be "solid 5.8" to be a "single pitch" guide (is that ever a bullshit ranking), gotta be "solid 5.10" to be a multi-pitch (more of same). no hotshot guides out there ever gotten spanked on a 5.10? that could well be true, but if so, you wind up with lots of fresh guide graduates who just aren't the sort of people to teach with the patience required of this profession. my own abilities have never been more than moderate, but in guiding it translated to being on the client's side, helping them get into the sport safely and set their sights on climbing challenges because, in my career, climbing has been more about challenges than victories.
during my busy year at JT i met lots of other guides. the best ones, if they didn't own the guide business themselves, were doing their damnedest to get the hell out of guiding and get a real life. that's just one of the big problems in the guide industry and PCGI isn't about to turn it around.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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I just read the OP and Ron's response….
I call it:
Good luck shaking this one Ron. Someone has really been offended.. like really hurt
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nice shot Jingy. Reminds me that I got no time to insult anyone, too busy training my children to be climbers but they'll be PCIF guides for sure.
Youngest:
oldest
Well, tata, got to go f*#k off and hit the tele: I can't worry over these weighty and important issues till the kids grow up. I'm sure you can sort it out without my help. If not, I'm sure that plenty of folks can slander plenty of other folks to the point where Chris's ad revenues go up a tad and he retires rich! Woot! Win win?!!!
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