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sandstone conglomerate
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sharon conglomerate central
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Nov 11, 2011 - 09:36am PT
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I think if I had witnessed something like that transpiring in the shower, somebody raping a 10 yr. old, I would have taken my o'cedar mop handle and beat the man's brains in before i could stop myself. No reporting the incident, no going to a supervisor or whatever, none of that sh#t. Shocked to homicidal in the blink of an eye. How could you not?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 11, 2011 - 09:36am PT
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The assistant coach won't be at the game now. Too many threats against him.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 11, 2011 - 09:41am PT
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I don’t understand why the grad assistant didn’t immediately call the cops as mandated by law and common decency. He saw the rape in progress, called his father, left the gym and contacted Paterno the next day. He left the 10 year old and rapist alone in the gym!
I have not seen any law requiring the grad assistant to immediately call the cops, nor I have heard anyone who has any real knowledge of such things suggest that such a law exists.
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klk
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cali
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Nov 11, 2011 - 11:09am PT
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paterno made penn state and not simply as a football school but, more importantly, an academic school
lolz
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Nov 11, 2011 - 11:32am PT
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actually, the trustees have been trying to get rid of paterno for a long time...for football reasons; their abrupt dismissal of him shows there's no love loss
klk, paterno's contributions to penn state--outside of football--are thoroughly documented
sandusky was originally accused in '98, the year before he retired...read the si coverage; it's thorough
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Gary
climber
From the City That Dreams
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2011 - 11:37am PT
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I have not seen any law requiring the grad assistant to immediately call the cops, nor I have heard anyone who has any real knowledge of such things suggest that such a law exists.
In the grand jury's report they find that there was a legal requirement to report the acts to police.
Read that report, it's brutal.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 11, 2011 - 11:39am PT
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read the si coverage; it's thorough
lol
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monolith
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berzerkly
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Nov 11, 2011 - 11:48am PT
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It seems the grad assistant Mike McQuery was trying to play it safe, in regards to his coaching career. Now it looks like his coaching career is over.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 11, 2011 - 11:52am PT
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Having worked for bureaucracies and in the private sector , I have seen many controversial incidents swept under the rug to keep the boat from rocking or more specifically , the jobs of the higher ups preserved...Seargant Shultz had this routine down...I see nothing...! No bad deed goes unrewarded until the scandal is leaked..Then it's all hands on deck to divert the blame and cover your ass...What is the moral to this story..?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Nov 11, 2011 - 11:53am PT
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The indictment tells it pretty clearly. Tough reading.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 11, 2011 - 12:11pm PT
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Wow Bookworm, I really liked that link you put above.
This one.
http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2011/11/10/crushing-our-better-angels-how-tribalism-self-identity-force-us-to-support-penn-state-herman-cain-and-rick-perry/
It is very interesting because I was just talking to a friend last night and doing some serious thinking about a similar subject. That is, that we all have some amount of, for lack of a better word, as#@&%e or beotch factor in us. And that because we don't want to see it in ourselves, we often turn a blind eye to our own bitchiness.
How it came up for me was in a conversation with a former girlfriend. We had discussed our relationship and some things came to light that I had completely forgotten. I had created this memory of some events in our relationship that were false because they left out some important details which she had to remind me of. In my memory of the events, I had behaved admirably, yet she showed me some ways in which I hadn't. I had to face the fact that I had been an as#@&%e. It was very humbling.
And then we talked about a situation that is currently happening in her family, where one daughter is being blamed and being ostracized for the actions of the father. Yet the family doesn't want to look at this because the father refuses to except or look at his own failings/as#@&%e factor. It is always someone elses fault.
Then she went on to tell me that I had defended Clinton's behavior, though I pointed out that it was not that I condone his behavior, but rather that I thought the witch hunt was rather odd considering how many leaders have this issue.
We have a lot of examining to do in our society. Skip is pissed off that the left elected Obama even though he has some shady real estate dealings. I think to some degree he has a point.
At this point, I don't see a single leader I would completely trust.
To what degree is as#@&%e behavior forgivable? I think Paterno was told the guy was messing around with a boy and didn't do enough. If the assistant didn't tell him he actually saw the guy having anal sex with a 10 year old, but rather used euphemisms, then that is because Paterno didn't question him closely enough.
Ack.. this boggles my mind that a 28 year old man didn't know enough to put a stop to it immediately and immediately call the police.
It would be interesting to hold a separate conversation on what behavior is completely unacceptable in our political leaders, and what behavior we don't like, but wouldn't toss the person out for. I have been asking myself if I would have voted for Clinton if the info about his infidelity had come out before he became president, of it had come out before his second term.
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Gary
climber
From the City That Dreams
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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LEB, you should read the grand jury's findings. If you can stomach it that is.
There is nothing "alleged" about this at all. Sandusky was caught in the act of raping a child. There was no mistaking what was going on. And McCreary just turned and walked away. This wasn't coming home early and catching your roommate with her boyfriend, and so you just sneak quietly back out.
Just a "What the f*#k are you doing!?" would have stopped it, not to mention pulling him off the child. But he just slinks away and tells his boss.
This isn't something where Paterno could think there was some innocent misunderstanding. But he just tells his boss.
All of them should be tried as accessories.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Nov 11, 2011 - 12:50pm PT
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I think the first reaction of the 28 year old would be shock and "Oh My God!" I could see where maybe in the heat of the moment, he might be appalled and "slink off."
I find it hard to believe that a 28 year old wouldn't know enough to put an immediate stop to it. He has testified that he saw them having anal sex. That is pretty cut and dried. A person might stop for a moment, and go.. am I really seeing what I am seeing. A person may even walk out the door for a moment, but not going back and stopping it is hard for me to figure out. I think that at 28 I would have known enough to put a stop to it.
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Gary
climber
From the City That Dreams
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 11, 2011 - 12:51pm PT
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People have to make tough decisions all the time. But we all have a built in instinct to protect children. I bet if it had been a female janitor that had caught Sandusky he'd had a broom handle upside his head in no time.
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ec
climber
ca
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Nov 11, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
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but he should have been allowed to resign immediately for all the good he has done over the last 60 years...at least would have avoided the riot -bookworm
IMO, the fact he had stated that he would retire at the end of the football season speaks volumes of his attitude about this whole deal.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 11, 2011 - 01:47pm PT
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Largo, tell me you did not just come to the defense of Paterno?
Of course not. I have kids.
Here's how I see it.
The person who actually saw this freak molesting kids had a moral obligation to drag the perv out of the shower and haul him off to the cops, or to bring in the police immediately. Old man Joe heard this news second hand, well after the fact, and immediately went to the authorities.
Like I said, he did not follow up to make sure justice was served, and that was his fault and he'll pay for that forever. However the actual eye witness, and the chumps who lied about this in court, should be thrown in jail for years.
Joe might be the fall guy in this and of course he should of done more but those who saw this first hand really had to settle this on the spot. Anything less is just cowardly and pathetic.
JL
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Nov 11, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
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Gary, you know the old saying. You can indite a ham sandwich but that does not mean you can win a conviction. The grandjurists are laypeople. They are not professionals schooled in the law. Their job is only to say whether there is enough evidence to proceed to trial.
My understanding is that, legally, reporting the event to the next up in the chain of command DOES exonerate one from any further charges or crimes. The point is whether there is a moral responsibility, as well. Most of us feel there is.
Gary, some of us have read the grand jury report that you keep referring to.
Now get this through your skull:
Neither the 28 year old nor Paterno have been charged or indicted for anything! I have not heard any credible suggestion that either will be indicted for anything.
I would agree with you that the behavior of both the 28 year old and Paterno was both morally reprehensible and inexplicable, but that doesn't make it illegal.
Numerous people on this thread assert that Paterno and/or the 28-year-old broke "the law." Well, show me the freaking law they broke, or even a statement from a cop or a prosecutor alleging that either broke the law, or shut your trap!
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Gene
climber
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Nov 11, 2011 - 04:18pm PT
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Numerous people on this thread assert that Paterno and/or the 28-year-old broke "the law."
Regarding the grad assistant, I stated that he broke the law. I now understand that by reporting it to Paterno, he complied with the law. As did Paterno by reporting it to the Penn State AD.
I would agree with you that the behavior of both the 28 year old and Paterno was both morally reprehensible and inexplicable, but that doesn't make it illegal.
Agreed.
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