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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 28, 2011 - 02:43pm PT
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tolman_paul is 100% right.
I want to climb for a living and I want my flight to Devil's Thumb in Alaska to be covered, because this is my passion. Should I join this protest, lose my job, and cry 'unfair!?'
If you want something, you earn it. This situation has nothing to do with MLK protests. There are no specific rights that are being violated here. If you want some changes that have to do with politics go vote, or assemble your own party. Yes, you will now win sh#t because corporations have tons more money. Life is unfair. : (
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TKingsbury
Trad climber
MT
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Oct 28, 2011 - 02:55pm PT
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not hating on the "winners", just the cheaters
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 28, 2011 - 02:56pm PT
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Dunno dude, the system worked for me, even though English is my second language! I just turned 25 on Oct 24th and gathered enough money to get a condo in the Bay Area! Wouldn't be able to do that if I painted faces on the street instead of getting nothing but A(mostly)/Bs for 4 years straight.
I am not saying world is perfect, yes it is not.
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johngenx
climber
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Oct 28, 2011 - 02:58pm PT
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Is that really fattrad in the picture with the BBQ up on pg1? If so, that dude has no right to critique people based on their physical appearance.
Though, it would seem to reinforce the correlation between "girth" and "intolerant." Interesting!! ;-)
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 28, 2011 - 03:00pm PT
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fk....how did I get into arguing on this political bullsh#t....
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 28, 2011 - 03:05pm PT
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fk....how did I get into arguing on this political bullsh#t....
BWA HA hahahaaaa!!!!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2011 - 03:20pm PT
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Politics? I thought this thread was about Hot Chicks on Wall Street!
For instance... Heidi Cornell is a 41 year old millionaire CEO who owns and operates a highly successful clothing empire.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Oct 28, 2011 - 03:42pm PT
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Dr F said: Your an idiot
HAHAHHAHAHAH! Nice try. Not!
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 28, 2011 - 03:43pm PT
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Oh noes! Steve House gets his trips to Himalayas sponsored and I don't! How am I ever gonna become a great Alpinist!! Oh noeeesss! Life is UNFAIR! We need equality!
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 28, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
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Fat Trad, humor me, because I am genuinely curious. I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm reasonably intelligent and and familiar with the OED's many definitions of the adjective "stupid". I'm presuming you are not phrasing it as a noun.
So, could you please expand on your declaration that tattoos are stupid?
Just wondering.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 28, 2011 - 05:42pm PT
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Atta boy warbler.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 28, 2011 - 05:53pm PT
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Fattrad, that really was not much of an answer. It was merely a rephrasing of your basic declaration on the stupidity of tattoos; you have shed no light on the train of thought through which you arrived at that conclusion.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Oct 28, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
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Less govt!! More FREEDOM!!
'cept tattoos, piercings, hair dye, loud colors, loud music, gayness, gay marriage, gay parenting, pot smoking, abortion, protesting, corporate regulation, surfing, fun...
Other than that and a few others, LESS GOVT MORE FREEDOM!!!
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Oct 28, 2011 - 05:59pm PT
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Our systems has never, ever been fair. Life, has never ever, nor will it ever be fair. That is reality, and protesting that fact won't change it one bit. There is no fair system in the world, nor will their ever be.
It's not like any of this is new either. Way back when our ancesters were hunter/gatherers, the climate would change and game species would migrate i.e. the happy hunting grounds were no longer so happy. They would either migrate with the game, or starve. That's why we have ruins from ancient civilizations. If the land was good, then new building were built on the ruins. If it was no good, the ruins remained.
It is no different today. If people by the millions have come here from foreign nations, not knowing English, and in most cases having minimum job skills, and they are able to make a living, then why are so many in this country who know the language and should have obtained some degree of job skills in their lives find it "impossible"?
Graduating from High School does not gurantee immediate employment and $30-40k yearly salary. Graduating college does not gurantee instant employment and $40-60k yearly salary.
Go on the net, find out what parts of the country are doing well, what type of jobs are available, what skills are needed and how one can gain them. There are still industries with decent paying entry level jobs for those who are willing to work hard and learn. Yes, there is cost involve in traveling the country to find work and no gurantees, but there are options. There is also the cost and risk involved with not doing anything to better yourself, and that does have a guranteed outcome.
I've found you can stack the odds in your own favor by your own efforts. Demanding others do so for you has never been terribly effective. You make your own luck.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Oct 28, 2011 - 06:10pm PT
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If a magic genie offered you some hair and a waistline.
.. would you get tattooed?
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Oct 28, 2011 - 06:26pm PT
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Well, here's a picture of a pirate boy(as opposed to a hot chick) who today marched of OWS on Bank of America.
http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wall-street-goes-to-bank-of-america-to-deliver-letters-from-occupy-the-board-room-2011-10
I was SO glad to hear on the news this morning the NY contingent was marching on the banks(especially BoA).
Some may not be aware of it, but a class action suit was filed against BoA for stealing their customers money via overdraft fees(though they admit no wrongdoing in suit).(Link: http://bofaoverdraftsettlement.com/);
The suit made the claim that BoA(and other banks) were using a method of debiting accounts which led to cascading overdraft fees. Which did happen, I can testify. People defend the bank actions with statements like "If you don't have money in the bank, don't spend it!"
Which would make sense - except that is not what was happening.
I was one of many who found BoA routinely witholding deposits to my account, from local checks(even drawn on BoA branches!), to store debits, for up to 3 weeks in some cases. Usually, a deposit of a check would be cleared the following day, even when it was from out of state. Suddenly, checks were being held, even in-state ones, even checks drawn against BoA accounts.
Store debits, which by law must be filed within 3 days after transaction, were not showing up on the bank ledger for a week and more. Usually gas stations do have that delay in processing, but I am talking about transactions from utility payments automatically deducted from my account, amongst others.
Used to a system of credit/debit, a LOT of people suddenly found themselves unclear exactly as to why they had had overdrafts. I recall going to the bank, mad at myself for f'ing up, and wondering HOW it had happened, as I had been being SO careful, and finding myself in a line behind 5 or more other people in exactly the same boat.
You would have to wait 45 minutes, an hour, to be told "I'm not sure why this happened" by the customer person, who would then remove the overdraft.
But after a few times, they began refusing to remove the overdraft fee($35), saying "Sorry, you have a history of overdrafts."
I had one check for $600, from an in0-state check, on BoA. It was held for THREE WEEKS, and ONLY taken off hold when I threw a tizzy fit in the bank lobby(I had been told it was on hold after checking the 1st week, but they didn't know why, and would clear it next day - they didn't. When I went in the next time, they kept me waiting more than an hour, and I had to leave. 3rd time - they showed my a computer screen that said it was held for some code number. When asked what the code stood for - they said they didn't know. That was when the tizzy fit happened, and the person lifted the hold.
$600 kept from me, for no reason that could be explained. As you can imagine, I can not afford to have my cash flow impacted that way, and that was standard procedure for BoA.
It was - clearly - intentional.
Some here will try to say that I(and the many others who are part of this settlement, are in the wrong. But you are incorrect in that supposition.
Like I am suuuuure, the banks would roll over and settle if they didn't know damned well what they did wasn't right.
I know I have not stated my case very clearly in this post, but I can assure you, it is not that I was spending money I didn't have, that BoA fined me for. They would hold deposits to accounts until they could cause a cascading effect of overdrafts, in such a way that 5-6 items would overdraw. I had times when I would get a notice of $135 in overdraft feed,
THIS is the sort of thing that is behind the OWS movement.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 28, 2011 - 06:33pm PT
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Oh, art is in the eye of the beholder and it's possible that someone interesting may not share your taste in art.
Fattrad, forgive me but I'm still not following. You're rejecting tattoos as stupid on the grounds that people who may be interesting might at the same time share different tastes in art? As in, someone who truly enjoys, say, works produced during the Dutch Golden Age may have different tastes in art from someone else who revels in, say, postmodernist works such as Pollock's Drip paintings?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 28, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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Well, sure. Agreed. But I don't understand -- what in tarnation that have to do with Tattoos being stupid?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Oct 28, 2011 - 07:55pm PT
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Because they might offend or detract someone of interest, therefore they are stupid.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "detract someone", but I do get your general drift. And following that logic I'd have to say that because you offend someone, you are stupid.
Is that right?
Edit to add: Jeff, you're being pretty silly here. If you don't like tattoos, fine. And if you think that someone who gets a tattoo is stupid, that's fine too. But you thinking it does not make it so. What you're really saying is "anything I don't like is stupid." Not a way to encourage people to take you seriously.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Oct 28, 2011 - 07:59pm PT
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OK Fattrad...got it. WE BEEN TROOOOLLED! Carry on!
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