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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 26, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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graniteclimber, the still frames that were released were dated Sept 12, 2001. For some reason, I find that odd.
There may be a couple explanation for that. Wrong date on computer with the computaters?
Take a look at the link I posted, it shows the number of security cameras around the side of the Pentagon where the explosion occurred. Also, video was confiscated shortly after the event, even as folks were watching it.
It WAS a national security event. I am not surprised at all.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 07:51pm PT
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K-man
I'd be grateful for some links to these interviews you've seen. Thanks in advance.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 26, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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Why is the "official" video released of the Pentagon crash dated 9-12-2001
It's not. The date was added later at the same time as the "impact 1" "impact 2" etc. text was added. It's not a timestamp.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
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k-man
Very poor K-man. You know exactly what I mean. Now post up some TV interviews with witnesses just as credible as the ones that have been provided for you above. You said you'd seen them. Many many of them.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 08:06pm PT
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"The fuselage of a 757 did not open that 16-foot hole," Wittenberg said.
"The aluminum of the fuselage would have crumbled like an egg shell on impact.
Aluminum doesn't vaporize. There is no armor-piercing titanium on the tip of a 757,"
So when are you guys gonna fly that 757 into a replica wall of the pentagon?
Yeah right I hear ya .. "hypothesis, theory and then speak all nonsense .....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Is there any explanation why the people aboard the Pentagon flight are all missing?
Did Cheney kill them all, along with the plane???
Your guys' logic is flawed and very sketchy.
You people sooooo want to believe that Bush and Cheney killed people, and simultaneously discredit him for his dumbfounded look when alerted to the news, that your theories just hold no water.
And what about the crash gear on the ground? There were definitive plane parts found.
Why keep this sh#t up? You're all prolly the same people that call foul on Birthers too. Hypocritical?
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 08:19pm PT
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Walleye
When are you gonna come back to the valley and drive the tow truck again so we can talk sh'it at the gas pumps again?
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:19pm PT
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If there was a conspiracy how come no one has spilled the beans yet?
The only thing we know for sure is how the govt used 911 to gain control and jack around with civil liberties.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
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I'm not talking about no conspiracy.
I wanna know how this big ass plane could do what it did.
Are you gonna fly it thru that wall in that flight pattern?
Hypothesis, theory and then experiment, science!
Instead no experiment, and then speak all nonsense .....
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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Jaytee, Sorry, from the page I provided above, you can find this:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/jetliner.html
I find this site to be very straight-forward in the information it provides. For instance, as this page shows, most eye-witnesses saw a 757 or 737 fly into the Pentagon, and it does a good analysis of those that don't believe a plane hit the building.
But, the site also poses the question of why the facade of the Pentagon did not get damage corresponding to such a plane hitting it. There was no damage where the tail should have hit. Why? Answer that question in a sensible manner, and I'll begin to sway my belief. However, as it stands, I cannot understand why there is no damage where there should be.
Bluey, if things made sense, then I'd stop wondering. But, as it stands there are Many things that don't make sense, and there are many contradictions in the Official Story. If you want to glaze over them, that's up to you.
Leaps of Faith required to believe the official story: http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/index.html
9-11 Anomalies: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/analysis/anomalies.html
I'm not going to try to convince you that if it smells like a fish, that it's likely a fish. Read up and use your brain instead of believing what is fed to you by the powers that be.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:35pm PT
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Are you gonna fly it thru that wall in that flight pattern?
Hypothesis, theory and then experiment, science!
Instead no experiment, and then speak all nonsense .....
Werner wants to run an experiment. He wants to take a 757, fill it with people and fly it into the Pentagon. Any volunteers? I already have Werner signed up but there are many other seats we need to fill.
We also need to buy a 757 so donations are appreciated.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2011 - 08:38pm PT
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No I'm not gonna put anyone in it except you granite tool.
I'll fill the rest with dummies.
Obviously you're too stupid to even think of that.
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
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k-man
I just clicked on your link, but found no video of TV interviews with witnesses outside the burning Pentagon. I dont mean to be mean, and you've been very polite with me in your replies, but you did say you'd seen many interviews with witnesses who saw something other than a plane hit the Pentagon.
Even the links you have furnished only corroborate the version of events that common sense tells one is true i.e. that the witnesses to a huge jet airliner crashing into the Pentagon are very credible.
It seems open and shut to me.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
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Werner, we're putting you in the cockpit.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:50pm PT
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Jaytee, you can find many movies about 9-11 that show video of eye witnesses claiming that what they saw was not a commercial airliner. I'm not going to hunt them down, I'd have to watch Loose Change and pinpoint where in the movie you can find the footage. Also, I believe the "In Plane Site" link above has such footage.
That said, there is this (my emphasis):
Because of the absence of public evidence proving that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and assertions that damage to the building and crash debris were inconsistent with the crash of such a large aircraft, speculation has flourished about what really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. Most such speculation ignores, discounts, or misrepresents the abundant eyewitness evidence that a jetliner flew into the building and exploded.
This quote is from: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/attack/index.html
On the page, the quote above contains links that back up the claims that the "crash and debris were inconsistent with the crash of such a large aircraft," and more.
So, while it does appear that eye witnesses saw a large plane flying into the Pentagon, there are many questions that remain about what actually happened there.
Again, why no impact zone where the tail would have hit?
What happened to the tail?
Why do the Officials not release footage that would prove their claims?
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Jaytee
Trad climber
U.K.
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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k-man, just read the sentence you've underlined again a few times. Then again. Then think about it for a few more minutes. Get back to me when you've grasped what it's saying. You'll kick yourself, then will finally be able to move on.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:57pm PT
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The following video and very reliable eye-witness testimony completely agrees with the Flight Data Recorder evidence that has been released by the NTSB regarding supposedly AA flight 77, which completely contradicts the OCT as put forth by the 9-11 Commission Report:
NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT - 9/11 PENTAGON ATTACK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o
The OCT is easily and completely debunked -- it is invalidated.
Investigate 9-11-2001
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 26, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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OK Jaytee, I do grasp what it says, that's why I underlined it (smartass).
My response: What happened to the tail?
Maybe once you grasp what this means, you'll begin to understand why I don't buy the official story.
And why you're such a fool for buying it.
I've provided links, you ignore them, what can I say.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 26, 2011 - 09:01pm PT
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I wanna know how this big ass plane could do what it did.
Real simple physics.
1/2 MV Squared. / the area of the impact.
The same reason a marble size piece of copper can squirt thru a foot of armor plate steel like it was butter.
200,000lb airplane at 500 mph with a 16 ft diameter nose?
That's about 21-1/2 MILLION foot pounds of energy per square foot.
Also why about everything that went thru the hole was for the most part vaporized.
BTW the tail of a 757 is for the most part carbon fiber. Not that that matters much. There was enough energy to vaporize aluminum.
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