Another soul lost at Half Dome

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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 24, 2011 - 12:57pm PT

chaz,
thats a hell of a bounce.

Norwegian

Trad climber

Placerville, California

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:01pm PT

ah don't take life so seriously,
it doesn't take you seriously.

life really is just suicide in slow motion.

tolman_paul

Trad climber

Anchorage, AK

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:04pm PT

I don't think anyone is going to dispute the pain that those who suffer from depression face. Yes, it is very real, very dark, and very debilitating. Sometimes therapy and medicine help, sometimes not.

But what doesn't seem to be coming across between the two sides of this discussion is that the act of suicide takes the pain of the person who took their life, and inflicts that pain on others. That pain is just as real as the depression, but many if not most times much harder to deal with. It doesn't matter if the suicide is "messy", "clean" or the person disapears w/o a trace, the pain remains with the living.

No matter how alone one may feel, none of us are alone, and every one of our lives has an impact on other's lives, even if we are incapable of seeing or comprehending that.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:05pm PT

What vanity!

If half of mankind disappeared the planet would be infinitely healthier (and in the end more people could thrive on it through time).

James Doty

Trad climber

Phoenix, Az.

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:05pm PT

Faced with the truly unknown and the vastness of eternity it seems to me that it takes courage to kill yourself. Maybe courage born of despair but courage nonetheless. My heart goes out to those that face that curse.

James Doty

Trad climber

Phoenix, Az.

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:20pm PT

Why ask? Doesn't using that imply you don't care?

Batrock

Trad climber

Burbank

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:25pm PT

This may have been stated earlier but it seems like a lot of work to hike all the way up to there, experience all that beautiful creation and huck yourself off. If it was or wasnt a suicide it's all a terrible shame.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:56pm PT

As Werner stated, we are not owners of our physical bodies. Thus we do not have the right to destroy it, ever.

I wonder who you think your masters are?

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 24, 2011 - 01:59pm PT

I've got not one thing against the Mexicans peacefully re-occupying the land that was stolen from them by the US (which includes where I've lived for 38 years).

I wish my own people were able to do the same.

Gene

climber

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:00pm PT

The man who died after falling off Half Dome was identified as Ryan Leeder, 23, of Los Gatos. The incident appears to be accidental, according to a Yosemite National Park spokesperson.

http://www.modbee.com/2011/08/23/1827733/man-falls-off-half-dome.html#ixzz1VyFgoRA4

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:01pm PT

SF Gate just updated the story:

Half Dome victim was 23-year-old Los Gatos man

All this talk of suicide while we have no idea what really happened up there...

Edit: Gene beat me to it

Homer

Mountain climber

742 Evergreen Terrace

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:05pm PT

We conflate our absurdly incomplete information into complete knowledge - we conclude that the information that we're working with is the same as the information that others a're working with - we know what we're talking about, you're full of sh#t - I'm OK, you're not OK. Maybe it helps us feel better about ourselves, to judge, criticize, and condemn others. La dee da dee da dee da. No Half Dome for me - aren't I special.

aspendougy

Trad climber

Los Angeles, CA

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:05pm PT

I am a friend of the family, and I spoke with the Mother of the deceased. She does not think it was a suicide, but an accident. In this case, it may be that they cannot determine one way or the other, so I hope that ends the debates on this thread.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:07pm PT

Sorry to hear it.

Remember to be careful out there.

edit; RA,
no they weren't very nice.
Who was?

Dump the welfare state and the minimum wage and let the noncriminal in.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber

Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:14pm PT

Condolences to friends and family.

When I went to look down from the edge of Diving Board, I carefully approached on hands and knees;
no way was I gonna stand anywhere near the precipice...

klk

Trad climber

cali

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:17pm PT

This is the reason that to try to approach this with logic and reason doesn't work, any more than it does to have a deep intellectual discussion with someone who is profoundly drunk or high. . . .

. . . or posting on st.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:21pm PT

Doug, very sorry for your loss.

John Moosie

climber

Beautiful California

Aug 24, 2011 - 02:26pm PT

So it was likely an accident. I'm sorry for the loss.

Last year I hiked out to Dewey point. There is one exposed move to make to get completely out onto the point. It is an easy move, but still I slipped and almost went over a 1000 foot plus cliff. With my history, I would have been declared a suicide.

I'm sorry again for the loss.