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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"I considered, you know, shooting our own guys. And I had actually pointed my weapon in their direction, and you know, turned my safety director on fire. And I was ready to engage them. You just hope for the best. I mean, you're left with nothing. You can't do anything, except sit there," Baer explains.
What a position to be in!
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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"but you have to be ruthless against a religious based opponent"
You mean wipe em all out?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Afghan could easily be won with the modern technology available, but you have to be ruthless against a religious based opponent.
It could not, cannot, and will never be won by modern technology. And the ruthlessness you speak of would simply propagate the problem.
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426
climber
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//Afghan could easily be won with the modern technology available, but you have to be ruthless against a religious based opponent.
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Wrong again, but seems to be your M.O....here's why:
That's what AT Great, the Brits, the Russians, et al thought. Again, refer to Santayana...
Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your aim.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Healjye...i disagree ...The best way to eliminate the taliban would be to let the republicans-tea partiers govern them...Their economic policies would bankrupt the poor towel heads..
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Mangy Peasant
Social climber
Riverside, CA
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And the NVA and Vietcong didn't have B-52s with massive ordnance payloads bombing the jungle 24/7, or airborne sensors that could read a license plate (yes, they could do that in the 1960's - they didn't need a satellite, just aircraft), or helicopters that could move an entire battalion in and out of the jungle quickly, or electronic "troop sensing" probes all over the jungle, or armoured vehicles, or air superiority....
Same old story - we just need a few more bombs - we just need to change the rules of engagement so we can actually fight the enemy (never mind the civilians we are supposed to be "fighting for.")
An old guy like you should know this history a little better. It wasn't that long ago.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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turn the country to glass for the ultimate total win.
...that would be a "win"? are you kidding me? that's a hell of a statement.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Coz wrote: One of those killed was a native of Santa Barbara, he grew up climbing on the local sandstone. His desire for adventure took him into the Navy.
He finished BUDS and became a SEAL, working on the west coast teams, because he could climb and still do his job. He moved up through the years and finally got the call to try out for DEVGROUP, and completed the year long trail to become a member.
He became a leader of an assault group and one of it's most respected members, doing over his career, well over 20 tours of duty.
Through out that time he remain close to climbing, would train with us often and enjoyed being close to nature and with old friends. He was always kind, always loyal, and always brought many guys on the trip with him, to show them how fun climbing was.
After 9/11 the climbing trip became less frequent, and a week or two, every few years was about it. We had been planning another big trip and I often got phone calls and e mails, form these guys as they spent fearful nights in the mountains of Afghanistan, dreaming about climbing.
He went on to become a fine family man, married a beautiful women and had a few kids, but still lead his boys through the many mission he would lead over seas.
He died, not fighting for oil, or some high in the sky ideals, but trying to rescue a group of pinned down, regular troops; he died trying to save his brothers.
I'm proud to call him my friend, who spent his whole life not in the selfish pursuit of full time climbing, but away from the limelight trying to make the world a better place for us and for all people world wide.
I won't tell you his name, nor would he want me too, but telling his best friend from grammar school last night about his death, ripped another whole in my heart, these men and women our the finest amongst us, and they will always have my highest regard and respect.
Really Scott? FUK!!! I just got out of the mountains to learn this. My heart felt condolences to all the the fallen heros, their loved ones and thier friends. My heart weighs heavy today!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Coz, I'm sorry for your loss.
Viet Nam did a number on me and my generation. Now Iraq/Afghanistan is doing
a number on this generation and the next generation which will be paying for it.
At least the fine people serving today are being according some honor and dignity
and I hope we take good care of them.
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Abend
Social climber
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May 26, 2014 - 10:06am PT
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Memorial Day ceremonies the Northwood Gratitude & Honor Memorial, the nation's first Memorial dedicated to all the US military fallen heroes of Afghanistan and Iraq.
As with the Vietnam Memorial, names are listed in chronological order by date of loss.
Their spirit lives on in our hearts.
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