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apogee
climber
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Jun 13, 2011 - 04:38pm PT
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"Badass!!!!!"
So, bluering, have you ever served in the military? What branch? How long? Did you see action?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2011 - 04:42pm PT
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Never served, Ap. Does that mean anything? I can't be proud of the US military?
I was a Boy Scout though.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2011 - 04:56pm PT
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And the F-35 is a POS compared to the F-22...
I was a Boy Scout though.
you guys didnt know about the new merit badge on state of the art fighter planes huh?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jun 13, 2011 - 04:57pm PT
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They had F-15 pilots fly the Raptor against 5 F-15's. The F-22 won.
You are aware the 15 was designed in the late 60s and went into service mid 70s right? And you think it's noteworthy that it underperforms a modern aircraft?
22 v 35, you seem to not understand that they are designed for different roles with the 35 being a multi purpose jack of all trades fighter and the 22 being primarily air superiority with ability to perform other roles.
Expecting nuance from morons is a little much I suppose, but I at least expect chickenhawks to do a little DD on their fetish areas.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2011 - 05:02pm PT
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22 v 35, you seem to not understand that they are designed for different roles with the 35 being a multi purpose jack of all trades fighter and the 22 being primarily air superiority with ability to perform other roles.
Yes, I am aware of that. Ever hear of a B-2, F-117, or an A-10?
We don't need a 'multi-task' fighter. We need a replacement for the F-15. The F-35 is a Euro-pandering Nato job.
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apogee
climber
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:03pm PT
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Of course you can (and should) be proud of our military.
Most of the people I know who have served in various branches and saw real action just don't talk about their service or the might of the military with terms such as 'badass!!'. Hell, they oftentimes don't talk much about it at all.
It always strikes me as particularly naive (and more than a little ignorant) when I hear people fawn and gush over US military firepower, when their primary experience with it is via pictures, movies, air shows, etc.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:03pm PT
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so ElCap, your saying that Bluey's merit badge aint worth sh#t?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:04pm PT
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Nothing wrong with being young and enthusiastic!
I was a boy scout too, Blue.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
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The F-35 is intended as a follow on to the F-16, F-15E fighter bomber,and Harrier in the USMC version, NOT the single seat F-15 fighters.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:20pm PT
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Why we talking about newer jets on a WW2 forum?, unless its the Me-262 or ME-163, maybe we ought to start a new "Jets" thread.
It don't matter to me, just sayin.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:24pm PT
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Nice pics DMT,
Man, can you imagine what it must of looked like to see the actual Normandy or Okinawa landings with hundreds of ships and planes.
the scene from "Flags of our Fathers" captures it pretty well I assume.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:35pm PT
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Thanks for making the point of my OP. You people don't get it do you?
Never again. Remember and learn from the past.
We were caught off-guard in WW2. We were not prepared. We are now. Ya know why?
Thrust-vectoring in the F-22.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCGJAoAz_8&feature=related
Unbelievable....
We are prepared if we understand potential risks and match strategy and equipment to those risks. I'm pretty sure out-going SecDef Gates is more capable of judging those risks than you, and he felt that we had enough F-22s and that the money was better spent elsewhere.
WWII is not a good analogy to any potential future conflict with Russia/China/India/Pakistan. There were no nukes hanging over anyone's head in WWII until the last days (and then it was those that prompted surrender, not increasing air superiority over Japan). Large-scale conventional war with a major power is very unlikely because of the nuke threat. And other types of conflicts are adequately handled by what we already have.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:54pm PT
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He ain't using it as a plan, but as a warning to be READY. With the largest military in the world, its hard to see how there is any worry about that. But then there are plenty of folks who worry. Seems weird to me. A bigger worry is running out of money to fund the whole danged mess.
Then there is the whole nuke thing.
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FeelioBabar
Trad climber
One drink ahead of my past.
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:54pm PT
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None of this will matter when the EMP hits anyway.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 13, 2011 - 05:57pm PT
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EMP.. Yep. those Emergency Medicine Physicians are pretty dangerous. Just ask Riley.
That mindset is born of fear.
a lot of that going around.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2011 - 06:17pm PT
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A bigger worry is running out of money to fund the whole danged mess.
Moosie,
You omitted two letters. It should read:
"A bigger worry is running out of money to fund the whole deranged mess"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2011 - 06:23pm PT
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This occurred to me the other day. Since Costa Rica has never had an army
how come nobody has taken their freedom away? I mean it's a pretty nice place
especially compared to Russia and Iran, to name a few. OK, Russia has good
climbing but nobody steals a country for its climbing.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 13, 2011 - 06:29pm PT
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Too many damn Mexicans in Costa Rica.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2011 - 06:29pm PT
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DMT,
Apparently you didn't read my tome to PitonRon on Zhukov's planned defense
to Operation Barbarosa. The 'deep echelon' defense gives up the front lines
(kinda like a loss-leader at the grocery store) but then falls back on their
strategic reserves. In the case (bad pun) of the Stoli Defense they have
immense strategic reserves in their bath-tubs - they can hold out a looong time.
Well, as long as the potato mash lasts, anyway.
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