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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:14pm PT
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Are you serious? I would never despoil the taste of coffee with dairy products- how barbarian of you!
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
In the mountains... somewhere...
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:25pm PT
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I always find it amusing how much most 'older' americans, climbers included, talk about being on the 'proper' diet, when about 7 hours of exercise a week would help even more. Of course eating in moderation and avoiding 'bad' foods is good for you but more exercise is even better. If you are running an hour a day it is mighty hard to be fat and unhealthy.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:29pm PT
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It seems to me that "younger" Americans have the most problem with insufficient exercise. When I was a kid overweight children were a rarity, now the opposite is almost the case.
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JoeSimo
Trad climber
New York
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:32pm PT
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I love food!
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
In the mountains... somewhere...
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:48pm PT
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Sorry, but being just about 60 with no kids I don't get into diet discussions with younger people very often. The premiss still holds, get some damn exercise and you don't need to worry so much about your diet.
Other than that it is a simple proposition to get thin: shut your pie hole and open your other!
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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I've known for a while that most food out there is pretty bad.
What with no regulatory body in the US calling for healthy food to be sold to the public, its only a matter of time before plenty of human beings start dying off because of it.
It seems, in the US, manufacturers can sell just about anything, and people will buy just about anything they believe to be good for them (regardless of common knowledge or risks), and its all good.. as long as it makes money.
its a shame, and needs to be re-thought.
The whole system.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 12, 2011 - 05:28pm PT
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Eat the meat, swill the brew, ride the saddle, and die knowing you had fun!!
A life unexamined is not worth living? No, no, a life unlived is not worth examining!!
Here's the thing, it's not that eating well makes you live a long time while suffering in this life for that eating lots of junk makes the party rock....
Food is a drug. It affects our bodies and minds both. It's good to get in touch with what food does to you and experiment with how to fuel yourself in an way that feels good short and long term.
You know what I found? Who makes your food and what their headspace is affects how you feel in a powerful subtle way. Food cooked with love is real. It's part of the power of mom's cooking! I know it sounds trippy but check in how you feel after you eat.
Yeah, stressing about food too much can be it's own evil. Like everything in life, we need to keep learning and dialing in our relationship with everything...people... food...emotions.. the works, nobody gets happy just from learning how to work,you have to learn how to live (that can involve breaking some "rules" too, but with eyes open)
Peace
Karl
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S.Leeper
Social climber
Ft. Useless, Virginia
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Apr 12, 2011 - 06:05pm PT
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Are you serious? I would never despoil the taste of coffee with dairy products- how barbarian of you!
same here, give me a shot of espresso straight up!
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Apr 12, 2011 - 06:12pm PT
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How many of yall on this thread are smokers?
If you're sitting here giving your take on what's healthy and what's not....you might want to add smoking....smoking anything...into the discussion.
Being a smoker puts you in a whole "nuther" risk category and trumps all the diet data in the world. Quit smokin and eat what you want as long as you keep an eye on them triglycerides. Just sayin.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 12, 2011 - 06:23pm PT
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If you're sitting here giving your take on what's healthy and what's not....you might want to add smoking....smoking anything...into the discussion
Just citing some clinical studies, appears that anti-cancer properties cancel out the evils of inhaled materials.
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer
"....A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.
All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.
The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.
While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.
The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn’t smoke at all....e experts say it might have something to do with tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is a chemical found in marijuana smoke.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.
In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke..."
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Captain...or Skully
climber
My ready room
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Apr 12, 2011 - 07:35pm PT
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I'll live 'till I die. Be it a week or 50 years, I really don't care.
Food is NOT a drug. That's just dumb, Karl. Food is Food. Fuel.
Sustenence. Can you dig it?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 12, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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You know what I found? Who makes your food and what their headspace is affects how you feel in a powerful subtle way.
Freakin' hippies, man. "Powerful subtle" is that like "hardly soft" or "irately content"?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
My ready room
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Apr 12, 2011 - 07:41pm PT
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Like the same thing, but different?
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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Apr 12, 2011 - 07:51pm PT
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Gnome, I exercised like a crazy person and was fat! Rode 100+ miles a week on my bike, climbed, hiked, ect., so much my neighbor stated to me, "I don't understand why your this heavy with the amount of exercise you do all the time".... well, it was my horrid diet! and the fact I ate too many carbs and ate too much food.
It wasn't the exercise that helped me lose the weight, in fact, my back was injured so was only getting about a 10th of my norm, it was all about the diet change for me.
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micronut
Trad climber
fresno, ca
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Apr 12, 2011 - 08:04pm PT
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Aw Karl...watch what you read man....You're an insightful and thoughtful dude, so I won't get into it with ya.
Lets not turn this thing into a "Is Pot Good or Bad for You Thread."
I really only like to have that conversation with other physicians.
I know everybody has strong feelings about it, but there's more to it than just looking at the properties of THC. I can dig up another 50 articles, well done all, that cite the detrimental effects as well as lifestyle stats including increased risk for cardiovascular incidents, pre-term low birthweight babies, oropharyngeal cancer, lung cancer, etc....
In my residency we were forced to read over 5,ooo pages on both sides of the argument. It was good reading, but lots of junk out there in the literature too.
You say Pot's healthy.
I say it aint.
Micronut would like to point to EXHIBIT A....
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S.Leeper
Social climber
Ft. Useless, Virginia
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Apr 12, 2011 - 08:10pm PT
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The munchies were pretty much the death knell for me and pot..pity
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 12, 2011 - 08:28pm PT
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Goat milk is actually the closest of any to human milk.
It is also generally easier to obtain than the latter.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 12, 2011 - 08:41pm PT
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How right you are Piton Ron. Goat milk, cheese, yogurt and the like is way better for you then from cattle. Love the feta cheese.
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monolith
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 09:07pm PT
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The women look pretty good too Weschrist, but guys build bigger muscles. And you should dump your long ago (like last century) debunked idea of "complete protein". All you need to do is eat from a few different plant sources and you will get all the amino acids. It's pretty difficult to not get them.
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