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guyman
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Mar 21, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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I think NASCAR stopped using Lead fuel in 1998 or so .....
And started using Fuel Injection like last year...
F1 usta have passing, and all the other things that make watching a race interesting. Things like Fuel and Tire compound strategies, with the new rule about using "All of the Compounds"... I find it sort of sad that one is required to use the good tires the bad tires and the ugly tires....
but you can use them in what ever order you wish.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 25, 2014 - 12:13am PT
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That's all well and good but I still don't get the DQ BS last weekend. Only some gawdawful bureaucracy would dream up the fuel flow BS rather than just saying:
"You get 100 kg of fuel, period. Use it as you see fit."
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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At present: Looks like a 1. Mercedes, 2. Mercedes...
Lap 39: Mercedes in trouble (losing two seconds per lap)
Lap 57: Williams doing very well now (Bottas and Massa). Bottas tyres are starting to give him a hard time.
Rosberg counts as Nordic. His father Keijo Erik «Keke» Rosberg is Finnish. He won five F1 Grand Prixs. The last was the 1985 Australian Grand Prix.
Lap 69/70: Massa and Perez flying into the barriers. Safety car out.
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Congrats to Ricciardo with his maiden win! Well done by Rosberg and Vettel.
The championship leader Rosberg strengthened his position.
There's five Nordic F1 drivers at present - Rosberg (FIN), Bottas (FIN), Raikkonen (FIN), Magnussen (DEN) and Ericsson (SWE).
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Fort.
Yes, he's half Finnish...
Edited:
Jingy
The electronics of F1 are for the mechanically enlightened people, but the entertainment value of F1 is no more for the enlightened people than the entertainment value of football. You're right about that... And if the perspective is the environment... well...
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Formula 1....
Far greater entertainment value for the enlightened peoples of the globe indeed.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Tar..... thanks for posting the link.
Wild finish for sure.
Time to go figure out what went south in the Mercedes...
Good to see Ricciardo win his first GP
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Interesting that Red Bull seems to be figuring out how to go fast but
Ferrari hasn't. The new rules are stoopid. Soon there won't be any
difference between F1 and F3000.
Saw a really good documentary on NBCSN last night on the history of F1 safety.
All the biggies were interviewed including Lauda. Quite amazing was that
he was back in his cockpit 5 days after his wreck.I say he had big balls
and integrity to pull out of the 78 Japan GP in such atrocious conditions.
A lot of the interviewees gave a large amount of credit to Ecclestone for
a lot of the safety improvements. Hamilton said he really doesn't worry
about dying or being maimed especially after seeing Kubicka walk away from
his horrific crash.
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north fork
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Best race so far. I'd much rather see Rosberg win over Hamilton, but it's gunna be tight. Rosberg has yet to have his bad luck. Crazy to see both Silver arrows have the same problem on the same lap. Really cool to see Riccardo win and to see Vettel so excited for him.
That was a weird crash at the end, I thought massa just blew it, but the stewards gave Perez a 5 grid penalty for changing his racing line. It also looked like Vettel saw it in his mirror and barely avoided it.
1 is the best documentary, even slightly better than Senna. Love all the old footage and respect how dangerous the sport was and how it's relatively safe today. That Massa/Perez would have been two deaths twenty years ago.
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Called GP2 now and it is raced as the pre-event for F1. Most new F1 drivers come from GP2.
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Tarbuster
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That's a pretty good special on the evolution of safety in F1 Reilly. Of note is the nearly singular voice of dissent in Jackie Ickx. I guess he likes it rough! (I suppose he's the last romantic; in some small way I have to say I feel his pain, but only as it parallels similar changes in the evolution of rockclimbing, … ha ha, not baiting a different conversation with this sentiment … don't go there!)
In this F1 safety documentary the theme of advances in safety is all laid out very plainly and covered in detail. During the late 60s and early 70s (now sometimes referred to as the Golden Age of Motor Racing) the cars just got too fast for their tires, suspensions and aerodynamics. Plus, going fast was the focus, all the money and engineering went into horsepower, torque, cornering and downforce: not into crashing! Jim Clark, Jochen Rindt, Bruce McLaren, Peter Revson, et al. RIP: it's a grim list. It's interesting however that as they correctly herald Jackie Stewart as a leading proponent among the drivers for changes in safety, aside from Ickx, they left out (understandably so in order to avoid clouding the issue) that at times, initially it could get wobbly and Stewart wasn't universally popular for his efforts.
A notable example of this initial opposition which I specifically recall is that the Armco barriers which he lobbied for were sometimes responsible for some nasty outcomes when cars hit them. Obviously when confronted with the choice between smacking an Armco barrier or alternatively launching into the trees beyond, the call is not that difficult. But it took them a while to tweak the application of these remedies. It's brought to light in that television special that sophisticated crash testing of vehicles, along with the will and the requisite materials technology necessary for significant advances in crash design truly demarcates the beginning of the modern era. And it took 20 years between Stewart and Senna for that finally to turn to great effect.
It's incredible how much munching those cars take now! ‘Too bad about the finish in Montréal. I like it better when they keep all four tires facing downward! That was a nasty crash right at the end and although it's a godsend guys don't die from that stuff anymore, I really wanted to see the battle for the top five play out right to the bitter end. Finishing under safety car definitely saps the excitement, not that there was much choice in the matter. Nevertheless and overall: spectacular racing this weekend for F1.
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Tarbuster
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'Glad you enjoyed the 1955 Belgian GP film Guy! I think it's priceless.
Here's another good one: The Racing Years 1970
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljK4dMD5zY4
Not specifically F1 but it covers the whole 1970 F1 season in detail along with group 5/endurance racing stuff. This all used to be bloodsport!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Tarbuster
I was 7 or 8 years old at the time when Jackie Ickx was at his best in F1. I used to make cartoons of F1 - free fantasy Grand Prixs with free fantasy winners. I decided who should win. Jackie Ickx was the favourite and he usually won, but not always. I was a bit disappointed every time he didn't win... Lol...
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Tarbuster
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Nice Marlow!
When I was 10 years old I attended the first event in the United States to host Formula One cars: the Questor Grand Prix at Ontario Raceway, California, 1970 ... (also went to the first official Formula One race at Long Beach, 1975ish as I recall). In 1972 at Riverside Raceway in California with a 110 camera I took a portrait of James Hunt sitting on a Honda 70 pit bike (no longer have it, rats). He had a great smile and was really genuine. My old man used to race our family car: a Porsche Speedster. Mom didn't know!
While pops was a turn worker out at the track I attended many races (totally solo, peddling from turn to turn on my Schwinn stingray). I wallpapered my bedroom with large-scale posters of Grand Prix racers living large. Dad once bought me a 1.5 foot long scale model of Jackie Stewart's 1971 Tyrell. The thing was immaculate with real rubber tires, fully functioning steering and driveline actuated by a windup turnkey!
I saw David Hobbs race against the likes of Jackie Stewart and others in the Can Am in 1971 and 72, so it's really fun for me to watch Hobbs doing commentary in modern Formula One.
A lot of courageous guys died doing this back then; some of them burning to death. Just off the top of my head: Jim Clark, Jochen Rindt, Bruce McLaren, Peter Revson, Pedro Rodrigues, Ronnie Peterson, Ken Miles, Françoise Cevert, Joe Bonnier, Piers Courage … All way before Senna.
What these courageous drivers were all doing, how they approached their lives: it's a major influence for me and essentially, (Stonemaster influence notwithstanding), this is the germinal reason I became a fully committed climber and hopeless romantic.
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Marlow
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OSLO
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Great story Tarbuster. Thanks for sharing...
We couldn't afford the cheapest VW back then, so a TV, imagination, a pen and paper was all I had... still it had a great influence... life's a wonder...
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Great posts Tarbuster and Marlow. Would be so cool if that photo turned up Tarbuster. I highly recommend Circuit of the Americas in Austin. Far drive for you though, Marlow.
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Tarbuster
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Long Beach Grand Prix inaugural race, the first sanctioned F1 event in the US, 1975:
(Photos taken with the Kodak 110 camera. Tiny little negative)
James Hunt in his McLaren, #11:
You can ID Hunt by his car number and the black helmet and just make out the idiosyncratic deerskin colored shroud around his neck.
Fangio in his vintage Mercedes and leather helmet, looking good for the inaugural procession:
A vintage Cooper:
Bugatti:
Photo below from when men were men and race cars had big fat wings connected directly to the suspension of the drive wheels (which could tear off causing mayhem and havoc):
(Riverside Raceway California, 1969 or early 70s … Probably Formula A and an IndyCar, likely not F1)
I watched a lot of guys dicing for position in the esses right at this spot. Talk about safety. The course was lined with ice plant at this point. Note the green areas to the left of the cars. If cars spun onto this slick succulent it would actually accelerate them up the hill into the wall!
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