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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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"I'm willing to send a check if Todd will start posting using paragraphs. ;)"
He's a teacher Ron, that will never happen...
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F10
Trad climber
e350 / Bishop
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Kindergarden, what do you want ?
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Karen
Trad climber
So Cal urban sprawl Hell
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I'll help with food stuff, and light sort of work, so count me in.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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I've been given the go ahead to be the center of communications for this project.
Handcrack, Jr., communicator to the world since 1952.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 03:45pm PT
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Brandt,
way to step up.
when you get ready to start delegating duties, please contact me.
blair
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Brant and Zip good job. Thanks for taking this on. I was just there and have to recoop some before I head back down there. I could physically help out in the fall. I have been in the trades for 30 plus years. Also I have a bunch electric and plumbing material too. Get a list going and see what our community can offer up!
What would the Gordons dream remodel look like?
Brandt I will email you my contact info.
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zip
Trad climber
pacific beach, ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2011 - 10:34pm PT
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H,
thx, but i haven't done anything yet.
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Dickbob
climber
Colorado
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Did I see something about a need to get the "gym" up to par. Might be my gig. Let me know how I could help
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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If you characters are going to do a new roof for Todd and family, use these Code guidelines. At any rate, the slope is very low and has to have underlayment; perhaps that is why they have leaks.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Apr 12, 2011 - 01:11am PT
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Thanks for the concern and willingness to help out. Yeah;..we have roof problems. Everytime rain is forecast, I used to get excited; wild flowers, thunder showers, lightning, and we need it in the desert with 3-5" of rain a year. But with the roof problems, I don't like the rain forecast. I've tried to repair it myself....many times, but I suck at fixing things, and I believe it's the wrong type of roof anyways. We used to have the tar and rocks roof, and that worked fine for 30 or so years...this shingle job has lasted about 10 years...and shingles were blowing off from day one. Anyways, thanks for you all and your willingness to give, help out, and get involved in a project that I can't do or afford by myself....thanks you, and good luck. Todd Gordon and family.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 12, 2011 - 01:26am PT
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The angle on Todd's roof is pretty low angled for composition shingles; which may be why its leaking. Therefore a tar and gravel roof would be superior. But a bigger pain in the ass to do. Also depending on how long its been leaking there could be structural damage!
Maybe, but it's a common angle for the region. The tar/rocks is becoming a historical artifact. How long since most folks here have hot-tarred a roof? We used to do it in summertime. H?
(there's a lovely socal august.) And yr. right, once it's peeled back, there may be some fun with joists. But the major expense is the labor, so if folks are available, that shouldn't be a barrier.
Unfortunately, my free time is in the summer. and as much as I love Todd and Andrea, the prospect of re-roofing the Ranch in August is pretty daunting.
Late October/early November would be prime, if folks were available then.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:16am PT
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A brief update-
I've heard from a large number of people willing to contribute their time or money. Thanks for all your offers!
So far we have people in chrage of electric and plumbing jobs. The great need at this time is for someone to volunteer to take charge of the roofing project. Clearly a local would be best, but if anyone is willing to travel here that could work as well. If you're willing to take on this task please get in touch with me. Another option would be to hire a local roofer, but this would greatly add to the costs involved.
My hope is that we can get this done before the heat of the summer sets in. For this to happen we have to act fast. This week I'll be checking on some things with the county building department.
Thanks again to all the folks who have offered to help so far. I'll be in touch when plans are firmed up.
Brandt Allen
email: lballenjr@gmail.com
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jstan
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:54am PT
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Oof!
I guess I could understand shingles blowing off like that if the decking is badly degraded due to heat/leaks. But that should show up through a lot of popped nails. 2:12 roofs here are built according to Peter's UBC code but our roof also decreased the lap to 4". A low angle roof facing the prevailing wind has a hard time of it.
Would not be surprised if the decking needs to be looked at. Home Depot's 0.45" plywood just went up a dollar to $13.97 a sheet. OSB is cheaper of course.
Brandt, I would be interested in your experience down at Building. As I remember today(Tuesday) is the day they are there. Long lines. Need to get there really early. Worse than the DMV by a factor of two.
Never done a built-up roof. Can be a bear, I think.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Apr 12, 2011 - 12:17pm PT
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Man that roof is bogus! Power feed, mast and bellweather look good though.
What about a metal roof? Easy to install, durable, long lasting and affordable.
They can be used as a rain water collection system for gardening. Unless the local ordinances prohibit such intelligent conservation.
Will the neighbors blow a biscuit if the Gordon clan enters the 21st century?
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Apr 12, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
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man, i'd love to put a metal roof on my mom's house. frickin pine needles.
the last time i looked into metal roofs for residential, the initial cost was a lot higher, but of course longterm the maintenance is minimal. i've never installed one myself.
i'd be surprised if zoning up there actively forbids metal roofing.
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 02:59pm PT
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Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. They only underscore the need for an experienced, professional roofer who is familiar with the local code to lead this project.
John - I recently got the final inspection for a detached garage and guestroom on my property, so I have some experience with the Building Dept. in that regard. They changed their office day to Wednesday so that's where I'll be tomorrow. I've found that going late in the day avoids the crowds and that there is often an inspector in the office at that time to answer questions.
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:29pm PT
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Hand crack, thanks for taking on this challange. I have been around a lot of metal roofing. Just out of curiosity I googled "roofing supplier's joshua tree ca". Then called a few of the local roofing companies to try yo find some one near there who supplies corragated metal roofing,, not much luck.
If you live in the area do you know of any roofing supply companies that I could contact for pricing info? Although I live 3000 miles away I could try to help in this way at least. Compare shingles to metal...find out who delivers ect..
A few other questions..
Have you been to the house to look at the roof? It looks like there is a split pitch on at least part of the roof, wonder what the pitch on the lower roof is? Does not appear to have any hips or valleys..
What are the dimensions of the roof ( for square footage)?
What type of plywood and under layment is under the shingles?
What length of nail ( 1/2 5/8 7/8 1 1/4?)and what type of nail pattern were used on the old roof? ( this could have a lot to do with it failing, in high wind areas they recommend 6 staggered nails high and low on the part of the shingle that is covered) Close up photo's from Todd would help.
Asphalt shingles are supposed to kind of melt together after they are installed, that is what the tar patch on the shingle at the overlap that is covered by the one above is for. You would think in J tree the melting would not be the problem, it would be easy to check and see if these shingles are adhering in this way. I think in the old days you had to remove a plastic wrap strip that covered the tar before installing, perhaps this was not done.
They have a lot of new types of underlayment now too, like Titanium UDL.
http://www.interwrap.com/titanium/udl_30_main.html
If you knew the old roof was installed improperly this might help with a decision to use shingles this time (installed correctly this time).
Just my two cents from the peanut gallery.
John Hansen
Quality Builders
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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Apr 12, 2011 - 03:57pm PT
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I know that Tuckers casita at the Cohn Ranch has a relatively new metal roof. It's beautiful and functional. I would not be concerned about other fix up's til the new roof is in place.
I recently had a new cheap (asphalt ?) shingle roof put on to replace 30 year old wood shake. Home Depot quoted me nearly $25,000. My son in law did it for a little over $10,000.
If I wasn't up to my ears in making over my home to accomodate 5 more people who have moved in I would help dig in and spearhead this.
Get someone from Home Depot to come out and look at Todd's roof and tell you what exactly what needs to be done and give you an estimate. Take notes and we can go from there. Just a suggestion, Cheers....Lynne
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HandCrack
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal.
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Apr 12, 2011 - 05:26pm PT
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In regard to John Hansen's post:
You bring up many good questions, which makes it all the more clear that whoever leads this project must know their stuff. As soon as we find this person I'll meet with him at Todd's house to see exactly what work is needed. Presumably he would know of a local source for materials and could work up an estimate for the job.
Put the word out, folks. Help find the right man for the job!
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 12, 2011 - 05:33pm PT
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Rubberized membrane w/acrylic topcoat. Works on any pitch, no issues with wind, ends with a white top coat for cooler roof, similar cost and better longevity than asphalt shingles (which have realistically about 10yr lifespan in the desert). Easily repaired.
I just had a ~1200sqft house + 4 car detached garage done for $5k materials and labor.
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