Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:04am PT
|
How are you paying more than 50% total taxes (at least that is the implication I get) when the top marginal rate is a mere 35%?
In California add 11% (which begins at 40K!) plus your property taxes, any taxes on capital gains (taxes on profits made with money which has already been taxed at the marginal rate as income,) plus sales taxes, gas and utility and phone taxes (ever look at how much of your phone bill is taxes?)
A "mere" 35%?? Please.
And if you think it is bad form to complain about high taxes I ask you this: Can you say with a straight face that the Government is not squandering our money right and left? Because unless you think all the money they are taking already is well spent then it is immorral to demand that they should take more.
|
|
Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:04am PT
|
ring...that's Mr. Stannard, Sir.
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:08am PT
|
Crowley,
I support three or four families of bastard kids with my taxes.
I don't even get a f*#king card from them on Father's Day either.
|
|
Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:09am PT
|
Hey Lois,your true colors are showing.
Have you ever read or posted to Super Topo while at work?
Shame on you ! Where is our American work ethic going?
Our great leader is just that and It gives me great pride as an American to know he is in control.
LEB get over yourself. We are blessed to have you here and we are glad that your husband doesnt need your time and that we get it.
YUK - OMG the pres just dismissed himself from a press conf.
|
|
bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:17am PT
|
Ya gotta love Ksolem, when he does choose to chime in.
And Chaz too.
All you losers just attack. You know you're wrong. Fun to watch!
GF, it ain't all about oil.......
|
|
LED
Social climber
the great beyond
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:31am PT
|
|
|
Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:34am PT
|
Maybe I'm even more cynical.
I don't believe government will ever have your best intrests at heart.
But instead I think I'm more trusting. I trust my fellow Americans to do what's in their best intrest.
|
|
Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 02:58am PT
|
In California add 11% (which begins at 40K!) plus your property taxes, any taxes on capital gains (taxes on profits made with money which has already been taxed at the marginal rate as income,) plus sales taxes, gas and utility and phone taxes (ever look at how much of your phone bill is taxes?)
A "mere" 35%?? Please.
And if you think it is bad form to complain about high taxes I ask you this: Can you say with a straight face that the Government is not squandering our money right and left? Because unless you think all the money they are taking already is well spent then it is immorral to demand that they should take more.
Great post Ksolem.
I don't believe government will ever have your best intrests at heart.
But instead I think I'm more trusting. I trust my fellow Americans to do what's in their best intrest.
Chaz, that is quoteable.
|
|
Fish Finder
Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 03:11am PT
|
Hey Crowley.
That photo is to modern to be NP.
Its Ali Landry... The girl from Doritos commercial fame.
|
|
Papillon Rendre
climber
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 03:15am PT
|
The real story reported with no bias or agenda:
By BEN FELLER, AP White House Correspondent Ben Feller, Ap White House Correspondent – Fri Dec 10, 9:19 pm ET
WASHINGTON – No comment? No way. You don't stop Bill Clinton when he's back at the White House with something to say.
Well, OK. He and President Barack Obama, two of the most famous men in the world, did need a little help getting a door unlocked first.
But then it was on.
The former president came before surprised reporters to let it be known that he endorsed the tax deal that Obama cut with the Republican Party, even though many Democrats were raising a fuss about it.
That was the news. But it wasn't the story.
What had the West Wing buzzing was the scene itself: Clinton in his element, like he had never left. And almost like he wasn't going to leave this time.
For one remarkable half hour, Clinton turned a seemingly slow Friday afternoon into his stage.
He tutored in loving detail about economic theory and nuclear disarmament. He was short on time, yet somehow found some for just one more question. He bit on his lip and spread his arms as he spoke and did all those other familiar gestures.
In a town of scripted rollouts and talking points, the way this event unfolded was refreshingly and remarkably impromptu.
There was to be no press coverage allowed of Obama's meeting with Clinton. No photos, no questions, not even a written statement about what happened.
That changed when Obama and Clinton wrapped up their private meeting in the Oval Office. Clinton wanted to publicly endorse the tax package. Obama is welcoming all the help he can get.
So the two presidents headed straight for the famous briefing room with no warning.
Except they couldn't get in.
The door was locked because press staff members were at their holiday party in the Executive Mansion.
Obama and Clinton went back up a hall and found a press aide at her desk. "Do you know how to open up the briefing room?" Obama asked.
Press secretary Robert Gibbs heard the voices outside his office, walked out and saw the two presidents.
"What are you guys up to?" Gibbs recalled saying.
"We're looking for some reporters," the presidents told Gibbs.
So the White House press staff scrambled, summoning all available media to the briefing room and setting up a live feed for the networks in minutes. The presidents stood waiting, behind a closed door, until Gibbs stalled long enough to let correspondents take their spots.
Obama introduced Clinton lightly as "the other guy" and recalled how Clinton has overseen heady economic times. Obama warned that he wouldn't be staying long — another White House Christmas party was waiting, as was his wife, Michelle.
And so it became clear pretty quickly that this was Clinton's show.
"I feel awkward being here, and now you're going to leave me all by myself," Clinton said from the stage of the White House briefing room.
Not that awkward.
Clinton comfortably outlined how the pending package of tax cuts, business incentives and unemployment benefits would boost the economy — even though it included tax help for the wealthy that Obama had to swallow.
"There's never a perfect bipartisan bill in the eyes of a partisan," Clinton said. "But I really believe this will be a significant net-plus for the country."
When he finished his pitch, Clinton played the role of humble guy, saying, "So, for whatever it's worth, that's what I think."
"It's worth a lot," Obama insisted.
Clinton was asked what advice he had for Obama, given the context of the times: the current president has to deal with a Republican Party that just won a convincing victory in the midterm election and will soon grab control of the House. Clinton faced the same halfway through his embattled first term in 1994, worked some major deals with the opposing party and rebounded to re-election.
"I have a general rule," Clinton said, "which is that whatever he asked me about my advice, and whatever I say should become public only if he decides to make it public." Obama didn't provide that permission, saying: "I've been keeping the First Lady waiting for about half an hour, so I'm going to take off."
The current president left it to Gibbs to decide when Clinton's questioning would be cut off.
Yeah, right ...
Gibbs couldn't cut off Clinton, and neither could Clinton's own aide. Only Clinton could stop Clinton.
The former president spoke about credit markets and Haiti and principled compromise and structural deficits.
Clinton was asked if he was happier being in the White House as a guest speaker than as president.
"Oh, I had quite a good time governing," a smiling Clinton said. "I am happy to be here, I suppose, when the bullets that are fired are unlikely to hit me."
When it was over, Obama aides and others in the room wore the look of those who couldn't believe the glimpse of political Americana they just saw.
"It was," said Gibbs, "as spontaneous as it could be."
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 03:17am PT
|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ac9uDLUdSs&feature=channel
At 1", Obama explains why Clinton is there. Clinton does seem embarrassed. I am watching the press conference now.
EDIT: That White House Correspondent report is PRICELESS! This is really incredible stuff.
EDIT EDIT: He hasn't said it the way Clinton does, but at least he has the sense and humility to give Clinton a stage to say what he has to say! You can say things like "Mexican Standoff" when you're no longer president. "Oh, I had quite a good time governing. (Wink.)" Oh, I'm sure you did, Mr. President.
|
|
2 l l
Sport climber
Rancho Verga, CA
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 03:27am PT
|
Meltdown.
|
|
Papillon Rendre
climber
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 03:36am PT
|
LEB:
"Is Obama losing it? In the middle of a press conference to discuss important issues surrounding the tax cut legislation, Obama up and leaves????"
Do your due diligences before you post nonsense.
-PR
|
|
Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 03:53am PT
|
131 posts on this?
classic LEB troll, if the king troll is dead, the queen is able to persevere
|
|
yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 04:06am PT
|
Ed,
It's fun! Watch the beginning of the youtube link I posted. It's actually off the White House blog. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog
Imagine that Clinton and Obama have just come...from...a Christmas party.
|
|
dougs510
Social climber
down south
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 04:12am PT
|
LEB: Get over it. The people spoke, and Obama's the president. Like it or not, all your ranting can't change that.
|
|
HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 08:51am PT
|
This was totally worth it's own thread.
|
|
Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 11:00am PT
|
Hi Lois,
Hope the new job in Arizona is going well, You have to like the weather.
Just a quick note to say that I thought your performance last night was brilliant.
Like a moth to a flame you had them where you wanted them.
Congrats on another great evening!
Best wishes
Norton
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 11:05am PT
|
HE'S THE F*#KING PREZ!!!!! HE'S SUPPOSED TO LEAD US!!!
you mean like Shrub lead us? Into wars based on lies and a growing national debt.
You're a fu'cking hypocrite. It's too bad your so blind you can't see it. But it is entertaining.... just like The LEB.
|
|
nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
|
|
|
Dec 11, 2010 - 11:21am PT
|
This is why I stopped posting with the likes of y'all....
no, you stopped because you couldn't stand getting your ass kicked intellectually all the time.
Are we sure Blue isn't a LEB love child? They obviously both have the same stupid gene going for them.
This is good stuff. Even locker, who normally just avoids the conversation with a tad of irony, a little joke, and a photo manipulation, is getting is brain involved. Not that it's any surprise (locker is a sharp man), but he's kicking your ass all over the place, blue.
bwwwwhahahahaha....
idiots
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!