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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:02pm PT
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Iran, like North Korea, is begging to be attacked. But why??? Ask yourself that.
What do they have to lose/gain?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:08pm PT
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:26pm PT
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Under Chavez, the public sector had virtually collapsed. They can't even keep the lights on or the water running. The idea that they could wrangle a missile installation, or talk Iran into paying for it and installing it themselves, is a screwball notion. People quote banana republic jibber jabber and think spoken intentions will become so. No so. At least not in Venezuela. And Venezuela's neighbors would never stand for it.
There's also another fact overlooked here: South American armies are civil police in business to exert control and bleed the economy. They never fight wars, no exception.
JL
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:47pm PT
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NEW RULES FOR WAR (aka The solution to WAR):
1) Manditory service for all Americans for 2 years.
2) Those over 35 have to fight first.
3) Officers out front on the front line.
3) All Senators and Congressmen and Woman including the Executive Branch, must work on a casket carrying team in any National Cemetary for one month.
So Let's go to WAR!
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Dec 10, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
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So, you guys are in favor of genocide??? Sure seems that way:
Where in God's green Earth did I say that? Since I'm one of the people you addressed that comment to.
Why haven't you been pumping your minions up about Darfur if you're such a genocide white hat?
I've seen way more flow out of you about Iran and Israel than I have about genocide. Where the hell did that come from?
I'd say we've done more than our share to prevent genocide in Israel at the hands of the Arabs the last 60 yrs.
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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 11, 2010 - 10:40am PT
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I'm with Fatty about the Saudis. They are our allies, technically. Our regime loves their regime, but our interests, beyond money, don't always coincide.
We buy their oil. We need their oil. They help keep the price where we want it. In return, they buy our military jets and other expensive hardware.
One major problem- their people up to and including royal family members probably, fund Al Queda.
This is the part that grates on me. Every time I fill my tank, I'm paying people to kill US soldiers.
Pakistan is similar. We need the Pakistani Government to help us with our war in Afghanistan, yet at least a significant faction of the military supports the Taliban.
This brings me back to my point I made earlier. Our allies aren't always our allies and our enemies aren't always our enemies. This is why we have to keep any deals with the Iranians quiet. We don't want to piss off the Saudis, who hate the Iranians.
I look at Iraq as a part of a proxy war between the Saudis and the Iranians, with the US caught between because we overestimated our strength and underestimated the strength of the Iranians. I don't mean militarily, but positionally. The Iranians appear to have won in Iraq or at least gotten the draw if you are optimistic.
IN Afghanistan, it looks like the Indians and Iranians are fighting a proxy war with the Pakistanis, with the US stuck in the middle again. What side are we on? Karzai is taking wads of cash from the Iranians. Karzai is our guy. The question is how closely we work with the Iranians.
The other question is, what do the Pakistanis want? If they want an unstable and weak neighbor, then things are going just fine.
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okie
Trad climber
San Leandro, Ca
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:20am PT
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Did I miss something? Why is Venezuela so broke it would take missles from Iran? What happened to all their oil?
It is convenient that we might "have to" invade another place that's rich with George W.'s Texas Tea. Damned inconvenient that our oil is under other countries, more so the ones that are ideaologically opposed to us.
W. famously turned down a "gift" of some of Chavez' oil once. One cold winter the Dictator offered heating oil to poor Americans, but our savvy leader saw through that and brilliantly declined the offer, on behalf of the American poor.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Dec 11, 2010 - 11:24pm PT
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Looks like there might be a small problem making that into a field piece!
How in the heck will you get it to a war??
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 12, 2010 - 12:02am PT
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Maybe it could kill surveillance satellites for pennies on the dollar for what a anti-sat missile would cost.
(from the ground)
Benefits of no IR launch signature
of a missile could be a real plus for denying responsibility we'd just
wacked someones spy sat.
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