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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2010 - 10:05pm PT
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"Forced" means coerced. No one is being coerced into buying health insurance.
And make no mistake, it is ONLY if you make plenty of money and you still choose to go without insurance, only then will you pay $800 in extra taxes.
These people have the income and choose to go without, are many of same
people who then go to the emergency rooms when they get sick or injured,
and then have their life's saving wiped out by the highest retail, non plan negotiated billing from the hospitals and doctors.
If they have the income, and no big assets to go after, then you and me and regular taxpayers will continue, as we have always done, to pick up the tab when the hospitals bill the Federal Government for their healthcare.
Makes a lot more sense to me to NOT bill the government (us).
And it is not just the person who goes without, as his or her entire family
including the children, go without when they get sick or injured and are wiped out.
Edit: Chaz, why not walk into the light of the 21st century with the rest
of the world?
WHY NOT READ and KNOW what the FACTS are BEFORE you make UP wild and irresponsible LIES about the legislation?
From IGNORANCE come FEAR, and from fear comes LIES.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Sep 24, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
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Well, we're kind of splitting hairs here. You can either get health insurance, pay the tax penalty or leave the country. Those are your options. I'm sure Chaz will be disappointed that nobody goes to prison, but I'm sure some guy will like murder his wife and blame the health insurance requirement and that will "count."
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storer
Trad climber
Golden, Colorado
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Sep 24, 2010 - 10:36pm PT
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I told you that I had Medicare. Plain vanilla parts A&B. No phony Part C, aka Medicare Advantage, or part D prescription drugs. Managed costs, $94/mo premium, $135 annual deductible, 20% copay. Great coverage and I ask why doesn't everyone get it like I do? Why did nobody express outrage that they are being left out while I get it? Oh, you don't want to be old, eh? Well then let's enlarge the pool to include you and all the other healthy people and make it even better. You people who don't want a national health plan are stupid or simply dupes of Fox News and probably both.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 24, 2010 - 11:18pm PT
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For all the sour- graped repubs on this thread....right here Bozo...rj
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 24, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
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Storer, you have brought up Medicare for all twice now.
I could not agree with you more, the basic concept that is.
But the devil IS in the details.
Medicare is solvent right this very minute only because the program was started way back in 1965 when having a much larger labor pool to collect the
Medicare tax from, and have matched by the employer, resulted in more coming
in than going out over the past 45 years.
Medicare also delivers the HIGHEST satisfaction of ALL the available healthcare
programs in the USA, and that includes the VA and the private plans.
Medicare also delivers healthcare FAR cheaper than private plans.
In fact, Medicare's administrative costs are ONLY 2.5%, compared to some 20& for profit plans.
Try to take Medicare, of for that matter, Social Security, AWAY from people
and they WILL start to clean their guns and start a reverse T Party.
But, not so right now, finances wise. While SS is solvent until 2027, we
will be paying out more than we are taking in on Medicare in only a couple years.
Medicare for all IS possible, but only, in my opinion, by "means testing"
the recipients. So, if you have a lot of assets or income, then too bad
you paid in, but you don't get it, or you pay higher copays and deductibles.
Warren Buffet, for example, should not be taking government SS or Medicare.
There is no reason why we, the richest country on earth, should NOT have
a comprehensive healthcare program for ALL our citizens that does NOT involve making health insurance executives extraordinarily wealthy.
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storer
Trad climber
Golden, Colorado
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Sep 25, 2010 - 12:52am PT
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I'm heartened that many here seem to realize that the single-payer option (nationalized healthcare) is the only viable system. At first I thought I heard complaints about socialized medicine. My harping about my having Medicare, Norton, was an attempt to draw somebody out to complain about my getting it while they don't. But the silence was deafening as it is in the Pledge to America, Tea party, Fox News, and the rest of that tripe. If you say that they don't complain because that would be a political death sentence then you'd be making my point exactly. By the way, Medicare is projected to be solvent until 2037. Hell, there may be wars, earthquakes, global pestilences, but also interplanetary space travel and harnessing of dark matter before then. It can easily be extended at will by bringing everyone in now and taxing them now. Uh oh! Taxes! But remember you won't be feeding the insurance company fatcats.
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Sep 25, 2010 - 10:30am PT
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Storer,
Sent in the first check last week. Mine is 110.00 a month. I got my first payroll job in 1960. I wonder if people have it this good in other countries?
Roger
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