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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
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You want life? It already has shown it has legs!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jun 23, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
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Well, let's see, other than all the goodies they got by being able to crush dissent and start two illegal yet oddly profitable wars, how about the missing Trillion and a half in gold bullion for motivation?
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 23, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
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havta admit, you guys got me there. i did read something about how a takeover can be foiled by in-cockpit technology, but i'm not finding it in my reference or on the web. there is a note on one of the official air safety websites that remote control for hijack situations has been suggested but not developed. we'll see--can't remember everything.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 23, 2010 - 03:18pm PT
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these bimbo legs are okay, but the best inspiration so far is that first pole vaulter, poised and intent. i wonder if i even would have appreciated her when i was in high school.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 23, 2010 - 10:19pm PT
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doc, look at that website i mentioned, pentacon.com.
here's a scenario: yes, there was a jetliner that came in there. it looks like it might have pulled up and flown over the pentagon. there is evidence that the light poles had charges in them to make them fall down as though they were clipped by the plane. many witnesses have attested to an entirely different approach path than where these light poles lay. the jetliner may have been coordinated with some sort of missile and explosives planted within the building. the fellas who did pentacon.com have spent a lot of time interviewing witnesses. don't expect it all to be laid out for you, but you will start to see that things are not right.
by the way, an early report i heard said that many of the people on the flight list were navy personnel, ironically some of them with offices in the pentagon which were hit. i'd be surprised if you can find that information now. stuff gets taken off the web. nobody can keep up with it.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 08:35am PT
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just a few notes today--dunno if anyone's even checking. wish someone would post more legs.
that's 51 minutes, not 45 minutes, between tower 1 strike and pentagon strike. this is from the meticulously compiled the terror timeline by paul thompson, a depiction of modus operandi in action.
a taunt to all the military patriots who log in here and think i'm some kind of cockroach:
read this book. you guys, at the very least, ought to be ashamed of yourselves and every one of your comrades. we on the taxpaying end have borne an astronomical burden for the best defense system with the latest technology in the world, and the one day in my entire lifetime that it was really needed to defend our home turf, it failed miserably.
of course, that's not really the way it worked, and if you have a military background, you ought to see it right away. when someone flubs up bigtime, they pay for it bigtime. in the case of 9/11, all was forgiven and forgotten from the get-go. i can cite examples of where the very people responsible got medals.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 05:27pm PT
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whoa--you're blowing me away, rox. yes, those are the four frames i referred to.
have you seen the pentacon.com website? the two guys who did it are young men from orange county, one of them a drummer in a local band. they felt that so much had to be followed up on around the pentagon situation that they wound up taking several trips to washington dc and interviewing as many eyewitnesses as they could get ahold of.
the gas station next to the pentagon is a crucial focal point. if the jetliner approached on the left side, as so many witnesses, including a couple of dc policemen, said, it couldn't have knocked down the light poles on the freeway. it would have had to have approach on the right side to do that. the speculation is that these light poles were just planted with cutting charges for the event. there's also some confirmation of such skulduggery.
the "pentacon" guys--they call themselves the "citizen investigation team"--also nailed down a witness from the far side of the pentagon who testified that he saw a jetliner fly over him. that would mean it didn't crash into the building. the scenario, as i said, is that the jetliner came in and overflew, pulling up to clear the building. at the same time the pentagon was struck with a missile similar to what you show. about the only confirmable debris is that of the bezel array from its jet engine, much smaller than the array from the jetliner engine in question. then a grand explosion went off, the main subject of the four released frames that you show, "confirming", for the public hoax, that this jetliner spewed so much fuel.
there is one photo that was widely circulated by the government showing a chunk of airliner exterior with a piece of the logo of the airline involved, positioned neatly on the green, green lawn of the pentagon, with nary a scratch or scorch on the grass.
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pa
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Jun 24, 2010 - 06:36pm PT
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Besides...not that it's evidence, but it is telling:
Look at George W's eyes, as he is sitting in the schoolroom, when the news is being whispered in his ear, that very first gleam. It's not shock, it's not surprise, it's glee, it's a look of triumph.
That was my first suspicion. But then, I read Macchiavelli in my teens. Wars are started over money, always. And they are sold to the public as crusades, always.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
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with what (i think) i know, i've developed a surprising take on george jr. he's into this skulduggery third generation. his grandfather, prescott bush, then a u.s. senator, had his fingers slapped in 1942 for trading with the enemy. his wall street firm, still in existence, was basically in bed with the nazis. but my view of the nazis themselves has changed as well, and i come from a family of italian resistance fighters.
george jr. is in it up to his floppy ears, but i think he did the world a public service. how's that? he dragged his heels. this came out in an important transmission on 9/11 itself, expounded on by 9/11 researcher webster tarpley: "angel is next". "angel" is a well-known code name for air force 1. bush himself was being threatened that day, possibly for some weak resistance to scripted events.
at one point a couple years ago, the buzz was that dick cheney was itching to nuke iran. report after report came out on this on the internet, and there were many public cries to try to prevent it. bush junior wasn't gung ho about it, and i think he probably did what he could to prevent it, and it never happened. i think we all dodged a bullet with that one.
of course, this is all "from where i sit". i've floated the idea of amnesty for those really responsible for 9/11. capital punishment is something they've all promoted, as a run-up to the fascist state they're seeking to establish. i just want to see them all in zoo cages where they'll have to meet face-to-face the public they've been screwing, until it becomes so old we don't care about it any more and can go on with a real future.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 24, 2010 - 07:00pm PT
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I wouldn't trust ATC to fly a plane, belay or rappel sure, but fly a plane?
If there was any truth to the 9/11 conspiracy theories every media outlet would be on it like flies on sh#t because an expose would be one of the biggest stories of all time. All they'd need is one informant and... Oh wait, maybe they're in on it...
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
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the only plane "scrambled" at the time was a C-130, a four-engine military transport often used for electronic battlefield support. the DoD said it was being sent up "to intercept". it was observed making strange aerobatic maneuvers. hoo-ah.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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fet, i worked as a newspaper journalist for 10 years. i've watched newspapers shrink and lay off people, and i've also seen them become dumber, less inquisitive, as airheady as the evening news. nobody on the l.a. times is going to do any kind of expose that will disturb the universe, believe me. the best journalists get fired--it happens time and again. you'll find the ones who can scrape together a little support publishing on the internet.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 24, 2010 - 07:10pm PT
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a newspaper is only as good as its publisher. the top publishers belong to the same gentleman's club as the politicians and wall streeters who are really in control. get a close look at it and you'll puke. throw that faith in the media into a good subduction trench.
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Jun 25, 2010 - 02:04pm PT
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So what is anybody going to really do, revolt, protest, or just keep blabbing about this and living our lives in complete unconscious denial?
Will you stop paying income tax in protest? Will you stop supporting multi-national corporate America? I don't think so, we've all become too soft to give up our cushy lives and see real change as too difficult in adapting our lazy, consumer driven, immediate gratifying lifestyles for a greater cause. And guess what, this is why sh#t like 9/11 happens,,, cause it can.
Mass tax revolt and mass corporate consumer boycotts would be the only way in this day and age to have a voice, send a message, play their game, because the game is about money, power and greed. It was what this country was founded on, remember U.S. History, 101? Do the above, and you begin to combat money, power and greed. Do nothing and it will continue as it conveniently has with conspiracy websites popping up like asian poppies in Afghanistan, creating endless jibber-jabby and taking focus away from the real issue of the few who wield complete control.
Do you know that personal income tax actually only pays the interest on the nat'l debt, nothing else, as we are not told to believe, yet the gov't just keeps borrowing more, with no possible way of actually repaying, as the Federal Reserve, a private corporate bank, keeps cashing in on mass government borrowing for ludicrous expenditures. Is anyone aware that corporate income increased exponentially in the past many decades, as corporate income tax has decreased exponentially as compared to employee wages that have remained flat for about 35 years, as budgets for much needed public programs such as education, infrastructure upkeep, environmental protection and other important programs keep getting slashed?
And the debate in congress now is possibly raising taxes on the middle class, while American multi-nationals considered 'too big to fail' get billions more in corporate welfare. What the hell happened to the 'trickle down' theory of tax cuts for the wealthy? What a sham.
How much is a trillion dollars anyway? what the hell does 13 trillion dollars look like? If a gallon of water represented each dollar of the national debt, how much of america gets flooded in 13 trillion gallons? Would you have to start the Nose route from a boat at ECT?
Another clear observation since 9/11 is that we now live in a near police state since 9/11 and the patriot act. Anyone experience this 'new order' with law enforcement lately? It's f@#king atrocious and f@#king scary, the lack of restraint and pure intimidation law enforcement now has towards citizens of 'suspected behavior'.
As in Nazi Germany, freedom was slowly and quietly taken away from citizens bit by bit until there was a complete dictatorship and millions of people were persecuted because of their ethnicity. A lie was begun, perpetuated in the media, a lie so big that no one would believe it, unless complete control of the media assured the continuing telling of the lie. Are we not headed in that same direction when the main stream belief being perpetuated in the media towards muslims is that they are all out to kill Americans? Is this history not repeating itself?
be afraid people, be very afraid,,,,
rant over:)
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 25, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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here's something you can do, mustang--give a little money to this guy or help out with his defense somehow:
http://free-bruno.org/
i know the guy personally, have never gotten along with him, but he's been out in front of a lot of truth confrontations in l.a. he got arrested recently, some kind of edgy exchange with a cop, and they're throwing the book at him. reportedly the judge screamed that he's a terrorist, way out of line for a guy who just tries to present information like i do and exercise his right to free speech. he plays by the rules, but he doesn't stand down easily. there's an international movement to raise money for his defense. it's a question of using our rights, or they will atrophy. don't take my word for it--i hate to give money myself, and i'm just trying to be helpful lining up a good lawyer.
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dirtbag
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Jun 25, 2010 - 09:30pm PT
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So what is anybody going to really do, revolt, protest, or just keep blabbing about this and living our lives in complete unconscious denial?
Me, I'm laughing.
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Tony Bird
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Northridge, CA
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Jun 26, 2010 - 08:27am PT
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they say politics makes strange bedfellows, and you won't find stranger than in the 9/11 truth movement. i think the one thing we all have in common is good antennas, but with a good antenna often comes a quirky personality and involvement in interests beyond being a soccer mom or a nascar dad. probably the foremost person in the movement is david ray griffin, that philosophy professor largo feels has "gone south" with all this.
i've come to distrust just about everyone i've been involved with, and i'm taking a step back right now to think. i read a book called beyond bullets a couple years ago. it's an academic, well-documented account of how the feebs have messed with every dissident group to come down the road in our lifetimes. they infiltrate and do all kinds of dirty tricks to make people distrust each other. it's a matter of course, our tax dollar at work and their way of imposing control. i'm sure some of them think they're real heroes. others just want the smart money and the winning side, ethics be damned.
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quietpartner
Trad climber
Moantannah
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Jun 26, 2010 - 12:19pm PT
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Crap, Rokjox, those four frames are amazing!
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