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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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The Chief claims Lance was juicing...but the real truth is that after 500 tests...nothing.
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steve shea
climber
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May 20, 2011 - 02:10pm PT
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Cancer is a life changing event. I know. Now 5 years cancer free, I still look at every day as a gift and try to make the most of it. During my darkest days of surgery, drugs, radiation etc I took solace in reading and rereading Armstrong's book. That book got me through. The man was a world class athlete before cancer and basically had one foot in the grave. To survive and then to perform on the level he did, to me, was an inspiration. As you all know the most important part of the climb or ride or whatever is the 5" between your ears. I think Lance has more control over those 5" than any of his competitors. That's the unfair advantage. Like I said cancer is life changing. As previously stated, his training and preparation broke new ground. As Bob D'A said "500 tests nothing". The man was a physiological freak before cancer and I can tell you with the experience of survival he stands alone. He has mind control tools his peers cannot even begin to comprehend. I can't speak to the drugs but for me he will always be an inspiraton. Hamilton and Landis blew their 15 minutes and now need the dough. Otherwise, why would they be out from under their rocks trying to turn the corner on their collective shame.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 02:29pm PT
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Great post Steve. I don't know Lance personally or really care about his personal life. What I do know is that he has inspired millions and there are a thousand stories just like your.
Great job on your recovery.
Sorry we never hooked up in Aspen...I climbed with MK a lot back in the early 80's.
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steve shea
climber
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May 20, 2011 - 03:03pm PT
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Bob, thanks. It's not too late I may be in Aspen this summer for some high country, old school cragging. I'll let you know. SS
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 08:08pm PT
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Cheif wrote: All you LA lovers remind me of the fanatic AGWers and Mortesen lovers out there. Totally blinded bt the fantasy BS.
Fact..Lance had cancer...Fact..Lance won seven tours...Fact...Lance has been tested over 500 times...Fact...no positive results.
F*#k off with your fantasy BS.
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Tony Puppo
climber
Bishop
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May 20, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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Uh oh! Hincapie just chimed in. I am a total Armstrong believer but this doesn't look good.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 20, 2011 - 09:30pm PT
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New York: George Hincapie, a longtime member of Lance Armstrong's inner circle, has told federal authorities he saw the seven-time Tour de France winner use performance-enhancing drugs, according to a US news report.
A segment of the " 60 Minutes" report aired Friday on the "CBS Evening News," one day after it broadcast an interview with another former member of Armstrong's US Postal Service team, Tyler Hamilton.
Hamilton said he also used PEDs with Armstrong.
Hincapie has often been depicted as one of Armstrong's most loyal teammates and was with him for all seven Tour victories. In an interview last year, Armstrong said Hincapie was "like a brother to me." . . .
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/cycling/Hincapie-says-Armstrong-doped-Report/articleshow/8479667.cms
Oh, and later in the same article:
"60 Minutes" also released an excerpt from another Armstrong teammate, Frankie Andreu, who said he took banned substances because lesser riders he believed were doping were passing him during races.
"Things were just getting faster and faster and sprinters were getting over the big mountains and winning, you know, climbing stages," Andreu said in the interview. "There's 200 guys flying over these mountains and you can't even stay in the group. And it's just impossible to keep up. And it's like, 'What the hell's going on here?"'
After the Hamilton and Andreu interviews went public, Armstrong launched a website refuting the claims and calling into question the credibility of Andreu, Hamilton and Landis. He also posted a letter addressed to CBS News, calling the "60 Minutes" reporting "disgraceful journalism."
Fact, he still won 7 tours against a level doping field. I don't really care if he won, or if he is the greatest in any case: he lied again and again and has thus revealed his inner character. In my world that matters, although I guess with most these days its just "business as usual". ha
(glad that at the least this all came out before the world came to an end! If Lance would just come clean on this issue he might still have a chance to be saved.)
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Homer
Mountain climber
742 Evergreen Terrace
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May 20, 2011 - 10:00pm PT
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he lied again and again and has thus revealed his inner character
He won 7 TDFs and revealed his inner character.
We reveal our own inner characters by admiring or reviling people for the inner characters that they reveal.
Science reveals more and more how much of our inner character is not chosen, but our inner character still likes to judge other people's inner characters just the same.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 10:14pm PT
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Cheif wrote: Bin Laden slept like a baby and with a bigass smile on his face for many years after 9/11. I guess that is ok with you as well.
God you people are truly sheep.
And your a big as#@&%e for comparing Lance to Bin Laden.
I don't give a sh#t if he was doped or not. The man surived cancer and still beat the best (doped) cyclists in world.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 20, 2011 - 10:19pm PT
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And your a big as#@&%e for comparing Lance to Bin Laden.
I agree, there is no evidence that Bin Laden ever doped or ever cheated his way to "victory" in athletic competition.
Bin Laden got what he deserved, no reason to defame him by comparing him to cheating doper.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 20, 2011 - 10:29pm PT
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landcruiser...That was a good catalog...!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 20, 2011 - 10:58pm PT
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Sounds like Armstrong was taking the stuff just like everyone else but he still road them off his wheel ....? So what...Armstrong was competing against a level field who mostly were jacked up on PEDS...I loved watching Armstrong winning 7 tours...
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WBraun
climber
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May 20, 2011 - 11:05pm PT
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Wow
All this riled up over a guy on a bicycle .......
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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May 20, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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I haven't ridden a bike since the evidence of dick cancer became too, um, hard to ignore
I like having cancer-free balls.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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May 20, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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Wow just found out that the long time Vail Mountain Rescue Director Tim Cochrane passed away today. He was the Vail Valleys WBraun.
Cancer took him out.
I wonder how many people will stop donating since Lance is on the hot seat?
Who really won?
The great American witch hunt.
Who will they give the 7 tour titles to?
They were all doping so no one gets the title......
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 20, 2011 - 11:52pm PT
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Cheif wrote: LA has been lying his ass off for over a decade now. It will all come out next week there BobDA. Your hero will come down big time as he so deserves.
He's not my hero (that place is reserved for my dad) and he still beat what ever they threw at him for seven years...dope or no dope.
Land...doing great...had open heart surgery about seven weeks ago but back on the rock and the bike. Hope all is well with you?
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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May 21, 2011 - 12:09am PT
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All good here Bob D. geez that's the first I've heard of your surgery. Take care & walk away from this thread. There is a BIG PICTURE here that some get & some don't. Hope to climb with you soon.
Heading out to A-bay for a swim before the tigers roll in.
Be well
rg
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2011 - 12:50am PT
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Riley...Bypass...double. Two were 99 percent closed. Had a very minor heart attack (if there is such a thing) and when in for surgery. Being somewhat fit has helped a lot and think I'll be back in 12/13 climbing shape in a few months. I dodged a major bullet.
Land...I hear what are saying...the big losers will be the cancer victims.
Let's meet in the San Luis valley or come to Taos.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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May 21, 2011 - 03:27am PT
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Works for me Bob D. I'm on the mainland 1-2 x a month. Would love to do something in P Canyon. Sisters of mercy comes to mind or bullet the blue sky. Doubt I'm fit enough but I can hang on a draw or two.
De La weenie way is the best in the canyon.
Be well
RG
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