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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2009 - 03:40pm PT
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BOMBSHELL CLAIM: Flight 11 hijackers in cockpit before takeoff
http://www.democraticunderground.com//discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x276978
http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/index.html
This was the big announcement in tonight's 9/11 episode of Jesse Ventura's new truTV show.
Mike Bellone, a Ground Zero rescue worker, told Ventura that he had physically seen one of the black boxes recovered at the WTC and said other rescue workers he was working with said at least 3 were found. Bellone said he was told by the FBI to shut up about finding the black boxes and has been harassed by the Feds. This story about black boxes being found at the WTC was reported first back in Oct 2004 by the Philadelphia Daily News.
Bellone was supposed to introduce Ventura to people who apparently worked for American Airlines and were monitoring the calls from Flight 11 and heard some explosive stuff that the government never told the public about, but he said they got scared at the last minute and didn't want to be interviewed anymore. Bellone said they've all been told to hush up by the FBI and one of them is being constantly followed and being bugged by the Feds.
At the end of the show, Ventura said Bellone finally called him later and told him that the reason the government is covering up that they found the black box of the alleged planes that hit the towers was because those black boxes prove that the hijackers were in the cockpits before the planes took off from the ground and officials at the airports allowed the planes to take off!
It's all hearsay for now of course, but quite the claim!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2009 - 05:16pm PT
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Rokjox,
Thanks. I fixed it.
I'm really impressed. We are really getting some hard evidence and people are starting to come forward and talk. Eventually, the truth, the facts, will be so overwhelming we will all know the truth. I believe that. Whether we will have the where-with-all to do anything about it is another problem that we have to deal with eventually.
Truth one step at a time.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 13, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
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klimmer this is for you. Some crazy ass stuff????????
Now, we have our own ‘disposable’ slave-race.
Like the alien ‘Greys’ (EBES), the U.S. government clandestinely impregnated females, then removed the hybrid fetus, (after about 3 months) and then accelerated their growth in the Lab.
Biogenetic (DNA Manipulation) programming is instilled; they are ‘implanted’ and controlled at a distance through regular RF (Radio Frequency) transmissions. These act as telepathic Channels and telemetric brain (Advanced Research Project Agency).
Two of the procedures were R.H.I.C. (Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Memory). The brain transceiver is inserted into the head through the nose.
These devices are used in the Soviet Union and the United States, as well as in Sweden. The Swedish Prime Minister Palme gave the National Swedish Police Board the right, in 1973, to insert brain transmitters into the of human beings covertly.
They also developed ELF and E.M. wave propagation equipment (RAYS),
which can affect the nerves and can cause nausea, fatigue, irritability, even death. This is essentially the same as Richard Shaver’s Cavern Telaug Mech.
This research into biodynamic relationships within organisms (Biological
Plasma) has produced a RAY that can change the genetic structure and
HEAL also.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2009 - 04:34pm PT
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That must be the infamous "Cabbage Head," since they have cabbage for brains!
Yes, I have met a few of them (lol). No real thinking skills and they denie everything. Shame really.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Dec 19, 2009 - 11:48am PT
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Bluey, you sound like a frightened little man.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2009 - 09:31pm PT
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Cross posting this here since it fits the OP:
Here are the links regarding the truth of MLK Jr.'s assassination:
Basically 2 books . . .
Act of State
The 13th Juror
All the links are here in this thread that is now hidden . . .
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1029342&msg=1030521#msg1030521
Anyway, here is the link to the official docs on Operation Northwoods from The National Security Archive, at GWU:
April 30, 2001
In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”
(Klimmer - Ah, actually 9-11 would be)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
And here are the books that tell the story, and the complete trail transcript for the Assassination of MLK Jr. that involves US Special Forces soldiers as back-up assassins:
An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King, New and Updated Edition (Paperback)
~ William F. Pepper (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Act-State-Execution-Martin-Updated/dp/1844672859/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260244373&sr=1-1
Transcript: William F. Pepper: An Act of State -The Execution of Martin Luther King, talk at Modern Times Bookstore, San Francisco
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/MLKactOstate.html
It became evident that the military did not kill Martin King but that they were there in Memphis as what I've come to believe was a backup operation. Because King was never going to be allowed to leave Memphis. If the contract that was given didn't work these guys were going to do it. . . .
This was not a one-off for these guys. They were trained snipers. You remember a hundred cities burned in America in 1967. These guys were sent around the country, teams of them, into different cities. These particular fellows had been in Detroit, Newark and Tampa and possibly L.A. They were given mugbooks. Those mugbooks were the photographs of community leaders and people who were to be their targets. And they would be put in positions and they would take out community leaders who would somehow be killed in the course of the rioting that was going on in various cities. The assassination of Martin King was a part of what amounted to an on-going covert program in which they tried to suppress dissent and disruption in America.
Needless to say all of this started to flesh out in 1993 and '94. I did a work-in-progress up to that time called Orders To Kill. That book was never reviewed in America. This book will never be reviewed in America. Most masses of people here will never know anything about this story because the book will receive no attention whatsoever.
I have friends in a lot of media organizations, sometimes fairly senior journalists and reporters and they say, `Bill it's just not worth our jobs. Don't expect us to have you on in terms of this book. It's not worth our jobs.'
The consolidation of the control of the media is a major problem in this democracy as it is in most democracies today. I don't know how democracy can function when people are not allowed information that's essential for the decision-making process. But rather they get propaganda continually.
The Martin Luther King Conspiracy Exposed in Memphis
by Jim Douglass
Spring 2000
Probe Magazine
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/MLKconExp.html
Pepper went a step beyond saying government agencies were responsible for the assassination. To whom in turn were those murderous agencies responsible? Not so much to government officials per se, Pepper asserted, as to the economic powerholders they represented who stood in the even deeper shadows behind the FBI, Army Intelligence, and their affiliates in covert action. By 1968, Pepper told the jury, "And today it is much worse in my view" -- "the decision-making processes in the United States were the representatives, the footsoldiers of the very economic interests that were going to suffer as a result of these times of changes [being actived by King]."
To say that U.S. government agencies killed Martin Luther King on the verge of the Poor People's Campaign is a way into the deeper truth that the economic powers that be (which dictate the policies of those agencies) killed him. In the Memphis prelude to the Washington campaign, King posed a threat to those powers of a non-violent revolutionary force. Just how determined they were to stop him before he reached Washington was revealed in the trial by the size and complexity of the plot to kill him.
The 13th Juror: The Official Transcript of the Martin Luther King Assassination Conspiracy Trial (Paperback)
~ MLK The Truth LLC (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/13th-Juror-Transcript-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/1442112158/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I94F8NTWP5XBD&colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G
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midarockjock
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USA
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Dec 19, 2009 - 11:18pm PT
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I believe within Title 44 USC some could be Assassins code?
Court jurisdiction also appears to be precluded under this Titles
codes by any action or actions carried out?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 31, 2009 - 05:34pm PT
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A federal judge dismissed all charges Thursday against five Blackwater Worldwide security guards accused of killing unarmed Iraqi civilians in a crowded Baghdad intersection in 2007.
U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina said Justice Department prosecutors improperly built their case on sworn statements that had been given under a promise of immunity. Urbina said the government's explanations were "contradictory, unbelievable and lacking in credibility."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/12/31/national/w124014S96.DTL
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2010 - 12:33am PT
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Family Secrets:All Your Worst Fears About The Bushes Were True
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2010/01/family-of-secrets-all-your-worst-fears.html
Russ Baker's Family of Secrets, a 600 page thriller that digs more deeply into the Bush Family than anyone has ever done. The paperback is now in its third edition and I've been urging Russ to work with someone on doing a synopsis that we could use to turn people on who are intimidated by books with hundreds of pages. Yesterday he finally sent me something that can be used here at DWT. He starts with the questions many of us have asked over and over again: "How did the spectacularly unqualified George W. Bush come to be the President of the United States, and arguably the most powerful person in the world? What lay behind his improbable rise and disastrous policies? Was there more to his controversial reign than the pundits’ standard bromides?"
These are the questions that launched Russ Baker into five years of research. The answers, based on hundreds of interviews, including with persons close to the Bush family who had never talked with reporters, proved astounding.
Not only, Baker found, had we missed the very essence of W., but also of his father and grandfather and in fact the entire clan. Moreover, behind the secrets of the Bushes and their circle lay larger ones that cast decades of American history in a new and revealing light.
The Bushes have been portrayed as everything from incompetents to ideologues to outright crooks. Many of their transgressions are now well known-- from grandfather Prescott’s involvement with Nazi-era financiers to W.’s initiatives that weakened Americans’ constitutional rights at every turn.
But Baker’s research took him to far deeper levels of insight into the American power machine, as it unearthed material of the sort more commonly identified with shady foreign regimes or Hollywood thrillers than with the still-hallowed U.S. presidency.
Baker explained this in a post-publication interview: “As I discovered, there was an entire hidden stratum of truth underlying the rise of the Bushes-- a truth that, if not reckoned with, threatens to derail the reforms we all hope are on the horizon.”
The copious evidence Baker assembles points to one jarring conclusion: that the parade of faces in the Bush White House were in fact bit players in a long-playing “shadow government” establishment that continues to influence events regardless of who-- or what party-- occupies the White House. Power cliques in this country, it turns out, function much as they do elsewhere in the world. Here, however, they are better hidden, in part-- paradoxically-- because we think our society is so open that hidden centers of power could not exist.
There is a tendency in America to tar anyone who sees larger configurations and coalescences of interests, irrespective of the quality of their research, as "conspiracy nuts." Yet the revelations and lessons of Family of Secrets come at us on practically every page, and with sourcing and documentation that have stood up to scrutiny. Moreover, they offer us a glimpse into something deeply embedded in our body politic, and profoundly dangerous to our democratic traditions.
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Chapter 4: Where Was Poppy?
Poppy Bush has claimed not to remember where he was on November 22, 1963, the day John F. Kennedy was shot in Dallas. That’s odd, since almost every other American alive at that time can recall where he or she was. Poppy’s amnesia become stranger still-- or perhaps, more understandable-- when declassified documents show (1) that he was working in Dallas for the CIA at the time, and (2) that he called the FBI from a town near Dallas at the very hour Kennedy’s death was being announced.
In that call, Bush Sr. introduced himself as a private citizen, and offered a supposed tip about a possible suspect-- a man who turned out to be innocent, and to have ties back to Bush himself. Though the tip was a red herring, it served a clear purpose: to establish that Poppy was not in Dallas at the time of his call. Baker exhaustively explores Bush’s activities that week and day, which included spending time with a top CIA expert on removing government leaders. He also dissects a peculiar Nov. 22 letter purportedly written by Barbara Bush and published by her decades later, that explains-- too artfully by half-- the couple’s movements at the time.
Baker reveals the deep animus toward President John Kennedy harbored by the Bushes and their friend, CIA director Allen Dulles, whom JFK had fired in the aftermath of the Bay of Pigs disaster. And he describes the dramatic, sudden changes in the lives of both Prescott Bush and his son in the wake of that firing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7392103
PS
I just want all SuperTopians to know that I'm fully aware of the danger of starting a thread titled such as this. I'm very aware that many of the threads I've started over the years are very contraversial and stir-up serious emotions.
Truth is powerful that way. It cleanses the soul.
I also want to remind everyone that I do not have a death wise. Suicide is never an option. I have a great amount of hope for the future. I'm a Christian and I love GOD. I love Jesus. I have faith that one day it will all be made right. I have read the good book. I know the ultimate ending. It is wonderful, but we have a long way to go to get there. GOD expects us to be good stewards of his creation, to always do right, to resist evil, to love one another, that is what dominion over his creation is all about. We will all be held to account for what we do or don't do. GOD is not fooled.
I have a great deal to live for. I love my wife. I love my kids. I love my extended family. I love my friends. I know I don't say that enough or show that enough. I'm not perfect but working toward that ultimate goal. One day, with Jesus Christ's grace, help, and love, I hope to achieve that state of perfection. I've got a long way to go.
I'm careful with my life. I love adventure, and I love the adventure sport lifestyle. I'm not wreckless. I plan and I'm as careful and methodical as I can be.
If something happens to me someday please be suspect. I would like to make it all the way until the day Christ returns. I do not want to leave this life early or pre-mature. But I do not want to live in fear or looking over my shoulder either. I will always speak truth to power, always. "Though I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil." I want to live and have a long happy life with my family and friends and continue to adventure and to do science.
But, I also know what evil people are capable of. This is what this very thread is all about.
Just saying.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2010 - 01:07am PT
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Rokjox,
The Bushes didn't pull the trigger, but Poppy Bush was definately and intergrally involved. There is no doubt.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2010 - 01:31am PT
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Published on Tuesday, December 29, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
Are Presidents Afraid of the CIA?
by Ray McGovern
In the past I have alluded to Panetta and the Seven Dwarfs. The reference is to CIA Director Leon Panetta and seven of his moral-dwarf predecessors-the ones who sent President Barack Obama a letter on Sept. 18 asking him to "reverse Attorney General Holder's August 24 decision to re-open the criminal investigation of CIA interrogations."
Panetta reportedly was also dead set against reopening the investigation-as he was against release of the Justice Department's "torture memoranda" of 2002, as he has been against releasing pretty much anything at all-the President's pledges of a new era of openness, notwithstanding. Panetta is even older than I, and I am aware that hearing is among the first faculties to fail. Perhaps he heard "error" when the President said "era."
As for the benighted seven, they are more to be pitied than scorned. No longer able to avail themselves of the services of clever Agency lawyers and wordsmiths, they put their names to a letter that reeked of self-interest-not to mention the inappropriateness of asking a President to interfere with an investigation already ordered by the Attorney General.
Three of the seven-George Tenet, Porter Goss, and Michael Hayden-were themselves involved, in one way or another, in planning, conducting, or covering up all manner of illegal actions, including torture, assassination, and illegal eavesdropping. In this light, the most transparent part of the letter may be the sentence in which they worry: "There is no reason to expect that the re-opened criminal investigation will remain narrowly focused."
When asked about the letter on the Sunday TV talk shows on Sept. 20, Obama was careful always to respond first by expressing obligatory "respect" for the CIA and its directors. With Bob Schieffer on Face the Nation, though, Obama did allow himself a condescending quip. He commented, "I appreciate the former CIA directors wanting to look out for an institution that they helped to build." .............(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/29-8
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Nuts, everywhere. I know, because I have been stepping on the husks and shells of those nuts. Thank the heavens for sanity. I think.
When will justice be served and indict Bush and Cheney? Never.
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dirtbag
climber
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You guys are nuts.
Is that specific enough?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2010 - 06:33pm PT
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I could see those "Tin foil" (aluminum) bikinis becoming popular. Dirtbag, I think you've got a trend there buddy.
Cool. :-)) Think I'll make one for the wife and see what she thinks. Lol.
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Klimmer.....
You voted for Obama, and you complain?
Even idiots figured out that the Republicans vote to fund the Democrat wars, and the Democrats vote to fund the Republican wars, and their simplest lies fool the fools who vote for them.
You are as flat dumb as was I when I voted for them and ran off to Vietnam to help slaughter poor farmers who hated their corrupt government but would fight to the death against overwhelming odds to keep an even more corrupt invading government from imposing itself on people with a different opinion on how they wanted to live their lives.
That is really dumb. Never again do anything that dumb.
The US DemocanRepublicrat War Regime is about to collapse because dumb people supported it long enough to become as destructive as it has become to its own people and the world.
The non-destructive solution is laughably easy. The process is just knowledge, learned the same way as all knowledge, by methodically asking and answering the related questions. But intellectually lazy fools support the obvious lies of "leaders", rather than asking and answering those questions to learn the process of the non-destructive solution. And they denigrate anyone who suggests the utility of learning new knowledge.
Anyone else would have to buy the ticket all the way to planet Earth for a comedy of this grand magnitude.
Enjoy the show.
DougBuchanan.com
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WBraun
climber
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Whoever was coordinating the Air Force war games was under the management and direction of Dick Cheney, who was also in charge of managing a terror drill being set up on the West Side of downtown New York on 9/11 titled Tripod 2.
This exercise set up a command and control center on 9/11 that was configured exactly like the one lost that morning in WTC 7. It was the perfect command center to respond to the crisis, and it was under Dick Cheney's management before the hijackings occurred.
How convenient.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2010 - 12:02pm PT
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A miraculous plethora of "conveniences" and serendipitous circumstances and unbelievable synchronicity occurred on 9-11-2001, for it all to happen as planned. (Oops, did I say planned? My bad?)
How convenient indeed.
And they say conspiracies don’t happen. RRRrrrrrrriiiiiggggghhhhhhttttt.
MIHOP
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2010 - 01:08pm PT
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On this MLK Jr. memorial weekend, I think it is very important for people to know the truth about how he died.
Read pages 54 - 104 from "An Act of State." Some pages are missing, since it is from Google Books, but you get most of the specifics. Keep in mind we now know, yet our US Government refuses to discuss it.
Witnesses and some of those involved have come forward, it has been thoroughly investigated, people testified in court, the Jury found a verdict, and James Earl Ray was innocent. Case closed. It was a US Federal Government Conspiracy. Read it for yourself.
An act of state: the execution of Martin Luther King By William Pepper
http://tinyurl.com/ydfu7by
Amazon.com: An Act of State
http://tinyurl.com/y8nk8xz
Amazon.com: The 13th Juror: The Official Transcript of the Martin Luther King Assassination Conspiracy Trial (Paperback)
~ MLK The Truth LLC (Author)
http://tinyurl.com/ybfodqk
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