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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Van wrote in his apology "If I have offended anyone.."
If!!!
No one believes he lacked the ability to know when he was offending people.
He's a Yale grad and an attorney.
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jstan
climber
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"He's a Yale grad and an attorney."
I too was disturbed when Obama brought a Yale grad into his admin.
Is there anyone out there who can ever again tolerate the idea of employing a Yale grad?
If so you need to sign up for a brain implant. Don't forget to check out the donor's papers though.
As I understand it dead socialists nearly always will away their organs.
Do not get one of them particularly if you are looking for a brain in new and unused condition.
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apogee
climber
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Politics, politics. Nuthin' but politics. Nuthin' to see, move along.
Hopefully the Repugs will have the good sense to let their indignance about 'coarse rhetoric' die down and go away.
Naahhh, that's giving them too much credit...The Repugs are the masters of coarse rhetoric, and they really aren't that smart.
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Bamm_Bamm
Social climber
Out in the Wilderness looking for Dr. F
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Liberals like to call names and say "Republicans are so wrong on everything" and then whine and complain when they get a dose of their own medicine.
These liberal clowns have staked their entire political existence on Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals."
Now they whine when the same tactics are turned on them.
The whole whining thing coming from the left reminds me of how Rommel must have felt when he heard Patton say, "Rommel, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!"
Expect the left to get even more apoplectic as we begin to eviscerate them to the bone.
Good luck libs, you bet the farm and now you are going to lose it.
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apogee
climber
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"Expect the left to get even more apoplectic as we begin to eviscerate them to the bone."
A quote from a member of the masters of coarse rhetoric...
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Bamm_Bamm
Social climber
Out in the Wilderness looking for Dr. F
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Expect the flaiming libs to try and claim the victim status as they begin to realize the serious political mistake they have been making.
They don't get it yet but you can seem them beginning to in the excuses they are now making.
Remember, the first stage is always denial.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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"Expect the left to get even more apoplectic as we begin to eviscerate them to the bone. . . "
Professional help is indicated.
JL
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Bamm_Bamm
Social climber
Out in the Wilderness looking for Dr. F
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John Long gets his medical training from "riding with Doctors."
Oh yeah, he is an expert on logic too. His expertise is as vast as his little mind deludes him into thinking.
John, You should stick to those things you know.
Other people's medical care is beyond the scope of your knowledge. And, you can if you like, choose to denigrate all you want those that have to deal with this issue every single day while you sit on your fat ass and make pronouncements from the "bench of John Long."
But, as has already been said by others about John Long's arrogance and total lack of knowledge:
"Excuse me while I puke."
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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It's a real shame we can't all be as logical and articulate as you.
Curt
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Everybody knows me, Riley....I hang out with SuperTaco lib crazies all the time.
No big deal...
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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jstan - what do you have against Yale grads? Or being an attorney?
Or is it educated people in general that you dislike?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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On the Yale degree;
Van Jones’ Resignation
by Victor Davis Hanson
NRO’s The Corner
'Oooh. Van Jones, alright!'
Ah, the Dividends of a Yale Law degree:
The problems with Van “change the system” Jones are not just his serial slurs against much of American society (“an apartheid regime”) as we know it (e.g., capitalism, the coal industry, American farming, the white population, the Bush administration (for causing 9/11), the Republican “***holes”, etc. — but that he simply cannot tell the truth about his own history, in disavowing almost everything he has said, written, or signed in the recent past. (His involvement with the 9/11 “Bush did it” lunacy has a heritage beyond just his written endorsement).
Worse still, by its own admission, the Obama administration seems to have monitored Jones and selected him for his czardom precisely because of, not despite, his flamboyant past.
Cf. Obama guru Valerie Jarrett’s gush: “Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House.”
Jones and other Obama radicals (the more middle- and upper-middle class the pedigree, the angrier the denunciations) have a strange tendency in the past to have slandered much of American society, then abruptly — once anointed into its highest echelons — to equate their own careerist ascendency with a positive referendum on America’s sudden deliverance (the “apartheid” U.S. in need of having its entire system “changed” is now okay since a Van Jones is in the White House.)
Michelle Obama articulated that view with her trope about not previously being proud of America until her husband became a serious candidate, but apparently for the next few years we are supposed to endure lectures from a variety of leftists like Jones that their own success allows us to find (temporary) redemption from them.
I would assume that Jones will have resigned within 24 hours, given the crudity, surrealism, and venom of his serial invective.
I Could No More Disown Van Jones Than . . .
When Van Jones talks of the aims of the civil rights movement and its initial minimalist agenda, he references the ultimate desire of 'redistributing all wealth.' When one collates that revelation with Obama's own off-handed "spread the wealth" comment, his 'fair share' sermons, and his 2001 public radio interview thoughts on “the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society,” we begin to see a pattern in which one’s income and wealth do not properly belong to the earner, but are seen as illegitimate and thus legitimately can be redistributed to others.
What is interesting about Van Jones’ supposedly divisive comments are that many in fact dovetail with Obama’s past revelations in more indiscreet moments. Aside from a shared rhetoric of spreading and redistributing wealth, I don’t see how white polluters of the ghetto is that much different from anything Rev. Wright said, Obama’s own ‘typical white person’, or his stereotyping of the Pennsylvania clingers or the Cambridge police.
Jones’ own deprecations of the U.S. are no more extreme than Michelle Obama’s ‘downright mean country’ and for the first time she has become proud of America. When Van Jones talks about coal, he is simply amplifying Obama’s own suggestion that he would “bankrupt” those who wished to build new plants.
So I do believe Valerie Jarrett that the administration had been looking at Van Jones for a long time, and liked what they saw.
©2009 Victor Davis Hanson
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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"...Or is it educated people in general that you dislike?"
Hahahahahahahaha.
Cut
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Bam Bam wrote:
"John Long gets his medical training from "riding with Doctors."
Oh yeah, he is an expert on logic too. His expertise is as vast as his little mind deludes him into thinking.
John, You should stick to those things you know.
Other people's medical care is beyond the scope of your knowledge. And, you can if you like, choose to denigrate all you want those that have to deal with this issue every single day while you sit on your fat ass and make pronouncements from the "bench of John Long."
But, as has already been said by others about John Long's arrogance and total lack of knowledge:
"Excuse me while I puke."
You're excused, Bam Bam. Beter women than you have been razzing me for decades. Sometimes I even deserve it.
Now put the pointy hat back on and return to your corner till you can steady up a little.
JL
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Yeah, I hear, Riley....
f*#k, I'm going bass fishing. Maybe I'll take pics too!
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Largo, the best response to halfwits like Bamm Bamm is the classic one-liner: "I've had worse things said about me by better people".
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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I had the enlightening experience of making a two hour drive up to Santa Barbara (to go riding on the spectacular downhill trails they have there) yesterday with a person who is the very embodiment of what we have seen on this thread from the far right: the rigidity of views; the lack of accountability for our past blunders; a pathological absence of the rigorous honesty needed to objectively appraise our current situation; a terror of being found “guilty” of having made mistakes; a total absence of making amends for past mistakes; shirking responsibility and explaining away or minimizing egregious wrongs; little ability to learn or course correct; a terror of change combined with a hyper-controlling manner; the need to project the wrongs and problems of the world onto an imaginary enemy; a complete lack of the ability to harmonize with dissenting opinions, and a mania to polarize people into contrary groups.
When my car guest started in on health care I listened closely to the same alarmist warnings about socialism, how universal care does not work in any other country and is alone bankrupting everyone, and then onto global warming, and the Bush administration, and waterboarding, endangered species, and on and on and on.
What occurred to me in a flash is that in listening and sort of feeling into the energy of this person and how his passions ran, I realized that 1), his position on “issues” had little to nothing to do with the issues themselves, 2) a rigid psychological pattern was driving all of his “decisions” on said “issues,” and 3) so far as I understood and kept sight of the psychological pattern driving his opinions, the way that he “felt” or “thought” on any issue was completely predictable, not for logical, but rather for purely psychological reasons.
Suddenly, the way right wing mentality started to finally add up in my mind. It has always confused me inasmuch as I had looked to the issues themselves to explain the behavior, the attitude, the wrath, the toxic rigidity, the blaming, and the lack of accountability and positive options. Once I got hold of the underlying psychological drivers, then the behavior was predictable and transparent.
JL
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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John, don't you understand yet, a liberal thinks with his heart, a conservative thinks with his brain.
This is the underlying disconnect. This is why conservatives APPEAR to be unfeeling. They are being logical, not sentimental.
In the middle is the truth, but I haven't found it yet.
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jstan
climber
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Largo:
How'd you like the Tunnel Trail? Ben says people go down that at 40mph.
ooph.
As you say that is the reason right wing talking points move so easily between individuals. Once their psychology has been diagnosed and the formula of the stuff has been optimized, it can be slopped onto people like cream cheese.
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