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Norton
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the Wastelands
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Sep 27, 2012 - 10:25pm PT
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Blue,
you should stick to telling people the earth is 6000 years old and humans had dinosaurs for pets
you clearly don't know anything about comparative world religions
Mormons ARE Christians you idiot, and they "believe" in Jesus Christ as much as any other Christian does
no wonder you failed high school biology, your head was counting angels on pins
edit:
just "educating" la la la
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Sep 27, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
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MsJ, I was hoping you'd feel that way.
Cheers
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 28, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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Jennie,
Thanks for sharing! your probably a Mormon right?
I am not sitting in judgment of the LDS or other organized religions. Just being discerning. I to was baptized a Mormon and being involved in the church for nearly 2 years. I recognized that I was being taught more on the book of Mormon and the story of Joseph Smith. With only tidbits of the true Bible and Jesus thrown in here and there. I feel like a lot of Mormons get caught up in their own story rather then the story of Jesus. Jesus is the only name and the only way to God. When Jesus declared that He is the Word and before the foundations of earth were laid, the Word was established. True? So can you really believe God needed Joseph Smith to come along some 1800 years later to add to His Word?
The book of Mormon, pearl of great price,doctrine of covenants. These are just more laws written by man. The main message of Jesus was to put away the laws because no man through works can enter the Kingdom. Except through Him and His Grace! so I believe that all these latter day religions A.D. Mormon Catholic Muslim Seventh-day Adventist Luthern etc. are all stereotypes of the True Church. They all have their so-called "prophets" adding to the Word of God as if Jesus didn't get it all right the first time.
Please don't get me wrong I love the Mormons. I think they are a wonderful example of humility and family virtues. But seriously the DOC the laws of what you can can't eat drink and wear. Along with all the theoracy and symbolism. Baptism of the dead. And the worst is that if you're not baptized in the Mormon lineage your baptism isn't true and you can't be saved. This is on par with the Muslims. I know now in my spirit you don't need an extra book of laws to gain access to God you only need to know Jesus and His Word!
This is my testimony that Jesus is the christ and the only true savior
Amen
Jus My Opinio'in
BB
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Sep 29, 2012 - 07:51am PT
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Thanks for your reply, BLUEBLOCR.
May I offer a few comments on your post...
.And the worst is that if you're not baptized in the Mormon lineage your baptism isn't true and you can't be saved. This is on par with the Muslims.
Not really accurate...Mormon doctrine asserts that ALL mankind are saved from physical death and preserved in one of the "three Kingdoms of Heaven" ...regardless of baptism, faith or good works. Baptism doesn't save...it's ordained as a physical manifestation of our inner commitment to follow Christ...
The main message of Jesus was to put away the laws because no man through works can enter the Kingdom.
Christ did not annul the law...He nullified animal sacrifice and the ceremonial feasts, washings and observances demanded by Mosaic Law.
Eternal laws such as the Ten Commandments, parents teaching children, caring for the poor, and other righteous principles remain in effect as well as criminal and civil law.
No one is exalted by good works alone. But the de-emphasis of good works by many Christian sects is tragic...especially in a grief stricken world so obviously in need of kindness and benevolence.
I'm personally inspiredby the mormon emphasis on doing good works. It heartens me to transcend my negligent and inconsiderate self-ness and attempt worthy actions...rather than linger under my little toadstool and allege that I'm "saved" while the world destructs.
Professing or making a pretense at Christian endeavor doesn't elevate me above other people. But certainly Christian action exalts me above my own self-centered, self concerned, self seeking nature...
If the LDS sphere of belief is not for you...Amen and so be it, Blue...we all believe our own path is best...but there are many paths to the same mountain...
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bc
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Sep 29, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Sep 29, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
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You won't find this in the Bible because Jesus actually said:
"Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word. The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves. For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture which is without life. God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit. They are in your breath, your blood, your bone; in your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, your ears, and in every little part of your body. They are present in the air, in the water, in the earth, in the plants, in the sunbeams, in the depths and in the heights. They all speak to you that you may understand the tongue and the will of the living God. But you shut your eyes that you may not see, and you shut your ears that you may not hear. I tell you truly, that the scripture is the work of man, but life and all its hosts are the work of our God. Wherefore do you not listen to the words of God which are written in His works? And wherefore do you study the dead scriptures which are the work of the hands of men?"
"And now I speak to you in the living tongue of the living God, through the holy spirit of our Heavenly Father. There is none yet among you that can understand all this of which I speak. He who expounds to you the scriptures speaks to you in a dead tongue of dead men, through his diseased and mortal body. Him, therefore, can all men understand, for all men are diseased and all are in death. No one sees the light of life. Blind man leads blind on the dark paths of sins, diseases and sufferings; and at the last all fall into the pit of death.
"I am sent to you by the Father, that I may make the light of life to shine before you. The light lightens itself and the darkness, but the darkness knows only itself, and knows not the light. I have still many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them yet. For your eyes are used to the darkness, and the full light of the Heavenly Father would make you blind. Therefore, you cannot yet understand that which I speak to you concerning the Heavenly Father who sent me to you. Follow, therefore, first, only the laws of your Earthly Mother, of which I have told you.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Sep 29, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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I thought that this thread was for SuperTopo atheists to tell their story and make a statement of their lack of blind faith?
So to you ignorant religious f*#ks, unless you want me to go back to the Christian thread and start making fun of the god you haven't seen in 2,000 years, then go away.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 29, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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Studly
That's pretty cool where did you come across that?
Ledge rat
That's the first positive thing I've heard you say.
Have a nice day to you too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jus Reply'in
BB
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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hey Blueblockr and Sierra Ledge Rat, Peace be with you my friends!
I am quoting from the Essene Gospel of Peace, the contents of which represents only about a third of the complete manuscripts which exist in Aramaic in the Secret Archives of the Vatican and in old Slavonic in the Royal Archives of the Habsburg (now the property of the Austrian Government).
We owe existence of these two versions to the Nestorian priests who, under pressure of the advancing hordes of Genghis Khan, were forces to flee from the East towards the West, bearing all their ancient scriptures and ikons with them.
The ancient Aramaic texts date from the 3rd century after Christ, while the old Slavonic version is a literal translation of the former. Exactly how the texts traveled from Palestine to the interior of Asia into the hands of the Nestorian priests, archeologists are not yet able to reconstruct for us.
"And the truth shall bear witness of itself.
http://stevespickard.tripod.com/uhc/essene.htm
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WBraun
climber
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So that's why you do it, eh.
For a reward ......
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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who knew the light at the end of the tunnel was a carrot on a stick?
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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It (good works) is done out of love for mankind (& for love of God/He loves mankind, gave His only begotten son for men) not for salvation or for a reward.
edit: good works are not "de-emphasis[ed]". on the contrary, they are why we are here. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." they are just not relied upon/dependant for eternal salvation.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Feeling good is a "reward".
Feeling good can be achieved by dopamine release in the brain, a chemical process that can happen after an intense workout, sex or watching cartoons.
Feeling like a decent human being is a "reward". The Ego can be reconstructed many ways, doubtfully as a reward... rather the unique way in which our neurons fire and record information.
Knowing that someone I care about is happier or safer is a "reward".
Oxytocin is another chemical our brain releases when around children or loved ones to keep us from harming them, thus our species could develop communities and raise our rather frail (by the animal kingdom) babies without eating them.
So maybe not rewards, all those ;D
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WBraun
climber
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So violence is not good works?
So violence is not kindness?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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True, because all those chemicals are biological constructs to allow our genetics to pass on and reward us!
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WBraun
climber
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So you're all selfish do gooders?
Ya all do sh!t so ya can feel good ultimately for yourselves.
Do good ers .....
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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edit: Oops, posted on wrong thread! lol
deleted it and posted on the "cat" thread!
I'll just leave this here since it is "800" cuz nobody likes to post the last post before it turns over, eh?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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DoGooders
Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your father in heaven. Therefore when you do a charitable deed do not sound a trumpet before you as the Hypocritiesdo in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly I say to you they have their reward. But when you do a charitable deed do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret and your father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly. Teachings by Jesus
Jus Help'in
BB
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sttzo - the point is to not do good works to solely impress men/people (make yourself look good, or for personal gain or ego)). It would be very self indulgent and defeat the purpose, as far as a spiritual/ Christian perspective is concerned. That is what JC is refering to in Blueblocr's quote/paraphrase!
edit: Delhi Dog - Sorry, but, i have been staying away, just got pulled into answering some questions directed toward "xtians" from your buds this evening! Otherwise, I haven't posted here in about 30 days! plus, people are arriving at, or deriving a lot of false assumptions, so i was attempting to shed some light on them, and in the process answera few of the specific questions that you guys came up with that no one responded to. but, perhaps they are convenient (false assumptions) for you regardless, since ya have already determined that it is all bogus anyway, right? so what difference does it make if lies are being spread, eh? but i suspect others (open minded searchers) are reading both threads, so some of us "xtians" are compelled to speak up when we note a discrepency! BUT, that could prollie be addressed through our thread, eh? I have already, personally, suggested that we "xtians" do just that (qoute and respond to what is said here on the I Like The Christian Life (or whatever Spider Sabitch's thread is called)...good idea, eh? i believe so, especially since the OP/Khanom explecitely expressed a desire for us to "hold your reaction, criticize on other threads"! I do believe we should respect that and show a little restraint. but wudevah, bro! since there are some hard headed types on both sides. lata...
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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I'm still trying to figure out what all these religious folks are doing on the atheist thread. Anyone jump ship yet?
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