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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 19, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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Learn how to fight, you stupid runt f*#k.
"I'm gettin my a*# kicked, better kill this dude. I thought I was bad, and I am...bad at defending myself."
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 19, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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I though Riley W. was talkin' about Hannity.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jul 19, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
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Sociopath? Hardly.
I think this lady would disagree with you:
A woman with close ties to George Zimmerman and his family told investigators that members of Zimmerman’s family were boastfully proud racists and that for more than a decade Zimmerman sexually molested her.
“It started when I was six,” the woman told investigators during an interview on the morning of March 20. “We’d all lay in front of the TV and we had pillows and blankets and he would reach under the blankets and try to do things and I would try to push him off but he was bigger and stronger and older,” the woman said, audibly weeping in the Florida State Attorney's Office interview recording released Monday. “It was in front of everybody and I don’t know how I didn’t say anything, I just didn’t know any better.”
The woman, identified in various reports and in taped interviews with investigators as witness 9, said that from the age of six to 19 Zimmerman repeatedly fondled her, at times penetrating her vagina with his finger.
A number of news sources have reported that the woman is a relative of the Zimmerman family, though her exact relationship to Zimmerman was redacted from the interview recording. Zimmerman's legal team, in a statement released later Monday night, identified the woman as a cousin.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 19, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
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I thought a lawyer always advises you not to talk about the case, or as my lawyer likes to put it "Keep your goddamn mouth shut".
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jul 19, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
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Hannity is a racist, pederast? I knew it. You wonder why you've never seen Hannity and Sandusky in a room at the same time? Is lynching still legal in Florida?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2012 - 05:28am PT
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I think that last video summs it up pretty good. bad guys with masks , guns and a bat threaten everyone in the room you shoot them and are a hero. Stalk someone you think might be a bad guy, get in a confrontation with the person YOU STALKED and then shoot that person because you are loseing a fist fight that you caused by stalking someone at night = manslaughter and ashole loser.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jun 25, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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I'm letting the judge jury and prosecutors make the call. They will be looking at better evidence than any of us will get third hand or from typically sloppy biased reporting.
More indepth reporting here: http://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-self-defense/
Without a lot of the BS the regular news has.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2013 - 03:48am PT
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Manzanita Man raged this is for all you tm supporters. i think us whites should have a million man march[ oh wait, we are all working]. where is al and jesse now? or all you other hypocrites that come out of the woodwork whenever there is a white on black crime? if this would have been a white man beating on a black women all of you would have come crawling out.
Good to know that racism on Supertopo isn't limited to the subversive kind. Are we advertising on Stormfront or Free Republic these days? Or is TGT just pulling some buddies from breitbart who feel free to speak their minds?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 26, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
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WTF is your point?
The question should be WHERE is your point. Which is on the top of his head.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 26, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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http://www.hlntv.com/interactive/2013/06/17/zimmerman-trayvon-map-interactive?hpt=hp_t2
Above seems like a pretty good analysis of the TM incident.
Whatever happened, if you think that was like a KKK lynching, ummm, you're wrong. Just a weird hispanic guy wannabe-cop who ran into the wrong juvenile delinquent, and vice versa.
As for why the case has got so much national attention--to me, that's the most interesting part of the story.
From my random following of the case, Zimmerman should be acquitted as there's boat loads of reasonable doubt. That's not to say he's factually (as opposed to legally) not guilty, just that there really isn't a lot of compelling evidence as to what happened once TM confronted Zimm.
But that's not really a prediction--the jury can do whatever it wants, and I don't have much confidence in Zimmerman's lawyers (starting off with a knock-knock joke? Unreal.)
I also don't like the fact that it's an all female jury. I'd rather have some men, who are more likely to have been involved in fist fights, and less likely to have been trained that the proper way to deal with a potentially violent situation is to flee. I would have liked to have had some young blue collar guys (of any race) who understand that sometimes sh#t happens.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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GUYS HERE IS A VIDEO OF A BLACK GUY BEATING A WHITE DUDE THIS IS PROOF THAT ZIMMERMAN IS AN INNOCENT MAN AND ALSO SLAVERY WAS OK
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jun 26, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
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...just that there really isn't a lot of compelling evidence as to what happened once TM confronted Zimm.
Other than one dude's dead and the other is holding a smoking gun.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 26, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
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Other than one dude's dead and the other is holding a smoking gun. Yup, that's what may happen when two guys get into it and there's a gun involved.
Especially when one guy doesn't know the other guy has a gun, is pissed off at the other guy, and is planning on kicking his ass.
Not too surprising that someone ends up dead, but that doesn't establish the elements of any crime.
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Alan Rubin
climber
Amherst,MA.
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Jun 26, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
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Blahblah "...that doesn't establish the elements of any crime." I don't know where you practice law, but in most jurisdictions (though possibly not in "stand your ground" Florida)that scenario surely does establish the elements of at least manslaughter, and possibly murder. And the "loads of reasonable doubt" is only there if the jury buys Zimmerman's version. Don't forget the fact--undisputed and recorded on the 911 call--that Zimmerman specifically ignored the dispatcher's instructions not to follow the individual. That, coupled with his words in the first 911 call, as quoted in the prosecutor's opening, is surely strong evidence of his hostile state of mind---legally "malice", a key element of the crime of murder.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 26, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
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Alan, there are a few problems with what you wrote.
In the hypothetical case where there is no evidence other than a dead body and someone holding a gun, I don't see how that, without more, establishes any crime. The dead person could have shot himself and the other person could have just picked up the gun. Regardless of whether you agree with me on this example, I'd hope you agree with the general point that elements of a crime need to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. That's not really a controversial point.
Anyway, the dispatcher didn't instruct Zimm not to follow TM, although that could be a reasonable interpretation. Nor is it clear that he did follow TM after the conversation with the dispatcher.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying there's not enough evidence for a jury to find him guilty of what he's charged with or a lesser offense.
But some of the evidence seems incredible to me. E.g., apparently one witness described the voice pleading for help as that of a "boy." (She had never heard what she knew to be TM or Zimm's voice before or after incident.) How could someone distinguish between a 17 year old and twenty-something year old, especially a voice made by someone who is getting beaten at the time and possibly can barely breathe? While a 17 year old is legally a minor, that's just a legal fiction; biologically, a 17 year old is a man and has a man's voice.
Considering that FL produced a jury that acquitted Casey Anthony, I'd be very scared if I were Zimm.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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Jun 26, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
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At 17, biologically NOT all males of this age are "men" (deeper voice, chest/facial hair, etc...), or necessarily considered adult males.
Purely speculative and over-ruled!!!
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 26, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
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How do you stand your ground in a swamp.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Jun 26, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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Manzanita Man where is the link to your "stats" ie proof of 70,000 black on white rapes and "0" white on black rapes...also 40% of all rapes go unreported.
I don't like any type of racists but I don't take offense if I was to be called a "cracker" I don't believe I'm a cracker and that is what counts.
In fact a crazy ass white person was stalking him...with a gun...I'm surprised he hasn't been charged with impersonating a police officer...
I think Zimmerman deserves some jail time...whether it is for any degree of murder or manslaughter...I would prefer people like him get sent a message (message is call the police and let them handle "suspicious persons").
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Jun 26, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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I don't like any type of racists but I don't take offense if I was to be called a "cracker" I don't believe I'm a cracker and that is what counts.
In fact a crazy ass white person was stalking him...with a gun...I'm surprised he hasn't been charged with impersonating a police officer...
I think Zimmerman deserves some jail time...whether it is for any degree of murder or manslaughter...I would prefer people like him get sent a message (message is call the police and let them handle "suspicious persons"). I don't agree with manzanita man's presentation and find his stats incredible.
But I also found it interesting that TM referred to Zimm as a "crazy-ass cracker."
Might this show animus on the part of TM toward whites and hispanics, and support Zimm's contention that TM initiated the fight?
ML--the mere fact that you're not bothered by being called a cracker and that Zimm may have in fact been a crazy-ass white person (or hispanic) is irrelevant to the significance of this testimony.
What would you think of the mental state of a white person who referred to a black guy as a "crazy-ass [N-Word]," even if the black guy was acting somewhat crazy? Let's say a fight later broke out between the speaker and the crazy-ass black person: might the use of the racial epithet suggest what transpired?
This is especially interesting if you remember that it was widely reported that Zimm had said "f*#king coons" to the dispatcher; that report was either a lie or at least a recklessly false. (Attentive readers of this thread may recall, before that report was exposed as false, that I had cast substantial doubt on its veracity by noting that "coons" is an uncommon pejorative among Zimm's demographic; some of the smartypants on this thread started arguing with me and said they knew people who say "coons" all the time--sometimes you can't win.)
Should be an interesting day tomorrow too: prosecution's star witness (who has already admitted to lying under oath in this case) is still being cross examined. But the "fix may be in"--there's no getting around the fact that Zimm set the wheels in motion, and as Kos noted, that may be enough to get a conviction, reasonable doubt, the law, and the facts notwithstanding.
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