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Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
May 18, 2010 - 03:45pm PT
pate, look at the bright side. the more time klimmer posts here is less time he is teaching his students. that sounds like an all around plus in my book...
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 18, 2010 - 04:23pm PT
Klimmer you wrote at the beginning of this post:

“No matter what you think about all of this, NASA could easily confirm it or refute it if they just release all the high-resolution LRO imagery that they now are bound to have. They probably have enough imagery now of this site in very high resolution to view the craft from multiple 3D perspectives.

NASA needs to release all the LRO imagery they have taken. This imagery database is ours. We paid for it with our tax dollars. NASA should release all of it through a searchable Lat./Long. on-line database. We need to do this.

If NASA can do the following with all the Apollo landing sites, and they can, including finding Soviet Moon-rovers, then they can easily do so with this site supposively explored by Apollo 20 on the backside of the Moon”

“we paid for it with our tax dollars”

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/whereislro/

and sign in and become a space cadet on this site:

Moonzoo.org

They say do not count all the craters, I say you do. It will keep you busy for a while. Get back if you see anybody climbing.

I am out of here: places to go, people to see, things to do. If this post hits a 1000 maybe I will take a peek.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 18, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
Oh! And by the way just one more thing when they do snatch you:

“Click your heels three times” and say “I want to go home”.

And tell them “Please, please I will never post anything like this ever again on ST again” maybe they will let you go.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2010 - 11:31pm PT
I would like to talk about Majestic 12, the document, and what Petty Officer Milton William Cooper has to say about it all. {SNIP} (can't imagine that he is still around):

EAGER, AZ - William Cooper has been killed and an Apache County sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.

William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show broadcast on the Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, which receives it via phone from his home in St. Johns.
http://www.rense.com/general16/coop.htm

I guess the govt/military/alien industrial complex had to take him out in order to preserve secrecy.



Gene,

Thanks.

Duh on my part. Posted too early in the am. I knew I had heard that name before. Bill Cooper. I have listened to his talks along time ago on Youtube or other, and I've had his book, Behold a Pale Horse on my wish list for many years. Haven't read it yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper

Behold A Pale Horse- William Cooper 1 of 28. NWO. Illuminati. Shadow. Global. Government. Agenda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6faQnv4YW0Q&feature=related

Behold a Pale Horse [Paperback]
William Cooper (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Behold-Pale-Horse-William-Cooper/dp/0929385225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274239403&sr=8-1


LostinShanghai,

Thanks for the link. Nice find.

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/whereislro/






Also this historic document indicates the connection between NASA and DoD:

National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (Unamended)
http://history.nasa.gov/spaceact.html

DEFINITIONS

Sec. 103. As used in this Act--

(1) the term "aeronautical and space activities" means(A) research into, and the solution of, problems of flight within and outside the earth's atmosphere, (B) the development, construction, testing, and operation for research purposes of aeronautical and space vehicles, and (C) such other activities as may be required for the exploration of space; and

(2) the term "aeronautical and space vehicles" means aircraft, missiles, satellites, and other space vehicles, manned and unmanned, together with related equipment, devices, components, and parts.


NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE COUNCIL

Sec. 201. (a) There is hereby established the National Aeronautics and Space Council (hereinafter called the "Council") which shall be composed of--

(1) the President (who shall preside over meetings of the Council);

(2) the Secretary of State;

(3) the Secretary of Defense



(4) provide for effective cooperation between the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the Department of Defense in all such activities, and specify which of such activities may be carried on concurrently by both such agencies notwithstanding the assignment of primary responsibility therefor to one or the other of such agencies; and

(5) resolve differences arising among departments and agencies of the United States with respect to aeronautical and space activities under this Act, including differences as to whether a particular project is an aeronautical and space activity.


CIVILIAN-MILITARY LIAISON COMMITTEE

Sec. 204 (a) There shall be a Civilian-Military Liaison Committee consisting of--

(1) a Chairman, who shall be the head thereof and who shall be appointed by the President, shall serve at the pleasure of the President, and shall receive compensation (in the manner provided in subsection (d)) at the rate of $20,000 per annum;

(2) one or more representatives from the Department of Defense, and one or more representatives from each of the Departments of the Army, Navy, and Air Force, to be assigned by the Secretary of Defense to serve on the Committee without additional compensation; and

(3) representatives from the Administration, to be assigned by the Administrator to serve on the Committee without additional compensation, equal in number to the number of representatives assigned to serve on the Committee under paragraph (2).

(b) The Administration and the Department of Defense, through the Liaison Committee, shall advise and consult with each other on all matters within their respective jurisdictions relating to aeronautical and space activities and shall keep each other fully and currently informed with respect to such activities.

(c) If the Secretary of Defense concludes that any request, action, proposed action, or failure to act on the part of the Administrator is adverse to the responsibilities of the Department of Defense, or the Administrator concludes that any request, action, or proposed action, or failure to act on the part of the Department of Defense is adverse to the responsibilities of the Administration, and the Administrator and the Secretary of Defense are unable to reach an agreement with respect thereto, either the Administrator or the Secretary of Defense may refer the matter to the President for his decision (which shall be final) as provided in section 201 (e).

(d) Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, any active or retired officer of the Army, Navy, or Air Force may serve as Chairman of the Liaison Committee without prejudice to his active or retired status as such officer. The compensation received by any such officer for his service as Chairman of the Liaison Committee shall be equal to the amount (if any) by which the compensation fixed by subsection (a) (1) for such Chairman exceeds his pay and allowances (including special and incentive pays) as an active officer, or his retired pay.






Bottom line, NASA and DoD have always had a very, very close relationship.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
May 19, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
That original picture Klimmer posted is obviously one of the early dinosaur craft. They probably built these on earth @ 400 million years ago, after they'd been working on the flight problem for over 40 million years....or so. They were constructed for a Mars landing I suspect, and this one craft probably took a left turn so one of the dinosaurs could stop, get out, and take a dump on the moon. It most likely crashed when the impatient dinosaur opened the door before the thing had actually landed.

These things happen as we all know.

BTW, as far as solving the radiation on the computer thing limiting interstellar travel, we have had computers less long than when dinosaurs were here. I looked for a graph of this interesting phenomena, but didn't find one. Ask Jim D, bet he was there and has the first hand eyeball on it.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2010 - 01:18am PT
Some great finds . . .

NASA Employed Photo Artists To Airbrush Out Apollo Anomalies!
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/airbrush.htm


Sen John Glenn's Amazing UFO Statement On 'Frasier "COMPLETE FOOTAGE"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcSfonxTyu8&feature=related


If you can get a copy of this out of print paperback you should buy it (warning: it is now expensive). I have it. All the NASA missions from Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo had UFO encounters. This book goes into detail on all of this and has actual radio transmissions that are transcribed. Some of which were only captured by HAM radio operators back on Earth and then transcribed. Good book. Ignore the Russians thinking the Moon is hollow and a Spaceship. The value of this book is the NASA Astronaut confessions.

Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon [Paperback]
Don Wilson (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Our-Mysterious-Spaceship-Moon-Wilson/dp/044006550X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274331805&sr=8-2


Astronaut Buzz Aldrin Recounts Apollo 11 UFO Encounter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=related
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 20, 2010 - 10:34am PT

"Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon [Paperback]"

"Good book. Ignore the Russians thinking the Moon is hollow and a Spaceship. The value of this book is the NASA Astronaut confessions."

You take a book that lies about the entire moon being a giant spaceship built by aliens--a premise that is so ridiculous absurd that even you, Klimmer, does not believe it, and then selectively rely on the lies it tells about the NASA astronauts to support its premise and recommend it as a "good book" that we should buy.

I'll file your post in the "more evidence that Klimmer is crazy" cabinet.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 20, 2010 - 11:43am PT
Geez, ease up on the broad tar brush! Does he not say only part of it is worthwhile? I gotta say that Klimmer has displayed a remarkable degree of grace and even self-deprecation in the face of all this hatin'.
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
May 20, 2010 - 12:24pm PT
Bump to send this baby to 1000!
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 20, 2010 - 04:21pm PT
pedge

Trad climber
SW
May 20, 2010 - 04:41pm PT
Lesser gods, fairies, elves, gremlins, angels, demons, aliens and super duper government agents all share special powers and the need to keep their presence among us secret, although they just aren’t that good at laying low as some of us regularly catch glimpses of them or their shadows. The people who have a need to believe in some higher powered beings who are mostly like us but a little better seem to be the same people who need to believe that there are races of people around who are mostly like us but a little bit worse in some way. Maybe these needs share a common root.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 20, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
So long as you believe there are 'great beyonds' in the empyrean sense, it's unavoidable that all manner of anthropomorphians of will escape from those worlds to this everytime you see a shadow, lack an answer, or seek dominion over your fellow man.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
More regarding NASA employees altering images from the Moon to remove evidence . . .

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nasa+airbrushed+ufos&aq=1


NASA Airbrushed UFOs - Lunar Base Towers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3wGLC_sjTQ

The Aliens on the Moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2mY2bbaumI


Alien Moon Bases: Glenn Steckling Pt.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KN4TTx4ijc&feature=related
Alien Moon Bases: Glenn Steckling Pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNlLBkxyAGY&feature=related
Alien Moon Bases: Glenn Steckling Pt.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbpnoqXK_do&feature=related


Alien moon,Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon, 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn10Of2hPs&feature=related
Alien moon,The UFOs Seen On The Moon, 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnnEeIJQ4Wo&feature=related
MOON-Alien moon,Spherical UFOs and Flying Serpents, 3 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jotdaXX1w2A&feature=related



These are all very Patriotic Americans and all very Brave. They are Heros!

A really good film preview . . .
The "UFO - The Greatest Story Ever Denied" movie, by Jose Escamilla.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgO2HQ_42xo
http://tblnfilms.com/UFOTGSED.html

http://moonrising-themovie.com/index.html
Gene

Social climber
May 20, 2010 - 07:22pm PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2010 - 07:27pm PT
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/moonbase.htm


Alien Moon Base


SUBJECT: Moon Sightings FILE: UFO50


I'm not to sure of this as i dont have the book to
hand (Above Top Secret), but wasn't there a report that the crew
of the eagle (Armstrong et al), when they left the module,
turned round and found themselves looking at alien craft at the
top of a crater?
(The following file was posted on InfoNet London
Ontario)

Alien Moon Base
by UFO Joe, InfoNet


Is there an "Alien Base" on the Moon. More and more people
are coming forward with stories of an Alien presence on the
Moon. Rumors are that their "Moon Base" is on the dark side
of the moon, the side we never see from Earth.

Did you ever wonder why the Moon landings stopped and why
have we not tried to build a Moon Base. It seems a better and
easier idea than a floating space station?

According to Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the
Moon and wanted us to get off and stay off the Moon! Milton
Cooper a Naval Intellegence Officer tell us that the
Intellegence community calls the Alien Base "Luna":

LUNA: The Alien base on the far side of the Moon. It
was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining
operation using very large machines, and the very large alien
craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there.
 Milton Cooper

* * *

Did Apollo 11 Encounter UFOs on the Moon?
from the Book "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good

According to hitherto unconfirmed reports, both Neil
Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that
historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I
remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in
or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by
a request from mission control for further information. Nothing
more was heard.

According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed
radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed
NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange:

NASA: Whats there?
Mission Control calling Apollo 11...

Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous!
OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it!
I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there,
Lined up on the far side of the crater edge!
They're on the Moon watching us!

In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA
Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed
reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter
was common knowledge in NASA," he revealed, "but nobody has
talked about it until now."

Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm
the incident. "According to our information, the encounter
was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said
Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of
Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the
message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects
were watching them after having landed near the moon module.
But his message was never heard by the public - because NASA
censored it. "According to another Soviet scientist, Dr.
Aleksandr Kazantsev, Buss Aldrin took color movie film of the
UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after
he and Armstrong went outside. Dr. Azhazha claims that the
UFOs departed minutes after the astronauts came out on to the
lunar surface.

Maurice Chatelain also confirmed that Apollo 11's
radio transmissions were interrupted on several occasions in
order to hide the news from the public. Before dismissing
Chatelain's sensational claims, it is worth noting his
impressive background in the aerospace industry and space
program. His first job after moving from France was as an
electronics engineer with Convair, specializing in
telecommunications, telemetry and radar. In 1959 he was in
charge of an electromagnetic research group, developing new
radar and telecommunications systems for Ryan. One of his
eleven patents was an automatic radar landing system that
ignited retro rockets at a given altitude, used in the
Ranger and Surveyor flights to the Moon. Later, at North
American Aviation, Chatelain was offered the job of designing
and building the Apollo communications and data-processing
systems.

Chatelain claims that "all Apollo and Gemini flights
were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite
closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying
saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name.
Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission
Control, who then ordered absolute silence." He goes on to
say:

"I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the
first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus'
to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space
capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the
general public. It was a little different when James Lovell
on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the
moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT
THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on
Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those
words."

Rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but
many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most
of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations.
Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens
all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the
statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice
Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to
discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a
United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually
witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has
this sighting not been made public?

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was
engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA
symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always
known there was a possibility, the fact is,
we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was
never any question then of a space station or a
moon city.

Professor: How do you mean "warned off"?

Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that
their ships were far superior to ours both in
size and technology - Boy, were they
big!...and menacing!
No, there is no question of a space station.
Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time,
and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really
was a quick scoop and back again.

Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to
go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind
the cover-up.





healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 20, 2010 - 07:42pm PT
Oh stop yourself, I was involved with every one of those intelligence orgs as a consumer preparing senior USPACFLT staff briefings. I was also very familiar with the NRO as a naval photographer peripherally involved with mission work on images from satellites, U2s, and conventional recon missions. I have a pretty good feel for their various capabilities and proclivities and your whole speil is nothing short of a extrapolation and deification of government to provide yourself with powerful anthropomorhians that explain why you feel so frail and helpless.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2010 - 07:43pm PT
Many, many former Astronauts, Military, NASA employees, Politicians, Scientists, and now Countries/Nations are disclosing the truth of UFOs/Alien presence so why do all you naysayers/debunkers have your heads so far buried into the sand?

Why?


Disclosure has happened and you are caught asleep, and in total denial.


"Denial" as they say is a very, very long river . . .


Sad.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 20, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
Klimmer, there are no Nephilim, there are no moonbases. I have no doubt there are aliens, but the odds of any communicating in any form with each other or with us are so Infinitesimally small as to be non-existent let alone any of them physically 'visiting' us.

Why do you so desperately need all these anthropomorphians?
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
May 20, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
Many, many former Astronauts, Military, NASA employees, Politicians, Scientists, and now Countries/Nations are disclosing the truth of UFOs/Alien presence so why do all you naysayers/debunkers have your heads so far buried into the sand?

Because they have absolutely no evidence to show us and expect us to rely on nothing other than their word. Without a testable theory, there is no science to be done, only speculation. Speculation resolves nothing and doesn't bring any new information to light.

In other words, people telling me that there are aliens from outer space only proves to me that there are people telling me that there are aliens from outer space. It does not prove to me that there are actual aliens from outer space.

Considering the billions of people that have not seen aliens from outer space and the small number who say they have seen them, I'd go with the statistics and say that I have a greater chance of winning a $100m lottery twice than I do of seeing a real alien spacecraft in my lifetime. So why should I care even if it is real?

Dave
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 20, 2010 - 08:33pm PT
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