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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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Do you know of any info or vids that would show anything conclusive on the evolutional change in skeletal systems?
not speaking for Jan, blue
but it has taken some 5 million years for the lineage of home sapiens to evolve from
purely ape/monkey like creatures
and there were no cameras or videos around to document those slow changes
however, the fossil record is quite huge, showing the changes in brain size to upright or bipedal walking to use of controlled fire to.....to ....to modern humans who arrived slowly to our present configuration as recently as some 150,000 years ago
apes/monkeys, etc, did not continue to evolve however, they stayed pretty much the same
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jun 14, 2015 - 03:17pm PT
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My sense of it - and I could be entirely wrong here - is that QM specialists exploring particle physics have no choice but to peer directly into this indefinite world, and to watch real things emerge into waves or stuff or (fill in the blank) (JL)
I must admit that your hypothesis is quite interesting, particularly intriguing in that particle physicists must go down to infinitesimal measures to engage what you think you are experiencing at a much larger scale. Viz., your Zen quotes about "form is emptiness and emptiness is form." But your central tenet hinges on whether the no-thingness you engage is something more than just a peculiar mental state induced by meditation.
This does not appear to be verifiable at this time, and so you attempt to convince others of your theory by having them enter the same mental state - which proves nothing, other than the brain, and by extension the mind, can get really "jiggy" as you say.
Nevertheless, if you can demonstrate that raw awareness takes one into the infinitesimal world of QM by uncovering something physicists have not seen, you will have earned a Nobel Prize in (meta)physics. But you must produce at least one tangible result to entice others to follow your lead.
Simply writing about emptiness but not demonstrating a verifiable link to where things "have no physical extent" is entertaining but fictional literature.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Jun 14, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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More likely to happen if you take the few simple steps to just embed it.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 03:56pm PT
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Jstan
If we don't now have a calculation then we should not learn how to calculate.
To wit, "eat not of the tree of knowledge."
Somewhere, I have heard this before. Off hand I can't place where I heard it.
How far would I get if I continued to believe the theory of realitivity is E=mc, and not E=mc2?
Pretty sure all bibles say, "..but the tree of knowledge OF good and evil you shall not eat.."
Now I don't care if you believe it or not. But as a scientist you are one who knows where falsified information belongs. The trash can. And not left on the side of the road were someone else may find it and become misconstrued. Maybe you just got taught half the message i don't know. But what your teaching isn't a half truth, it's a lie. And it has congealed into your emotional being as hate. To wit, you throw out the opinion that if bibles readers don't know something they should just write it off. As if they should just not learn anything. Did you not know it was a Christian who saw the need for continued education beyond HS, and started the first university? I'm really sorry you feel this way. I do care. I believe ALL Truth points to the Creator and the day when this will reveled is coming very soon.
Good day Sir.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 04:00pm PT
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Cintune what's the trick to that?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jun 14, 2015 - 04:37pm PT
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^^^
Read the instructions on the website. Pretty simple.
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allapah
climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
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8 Easy Steps to an Understanding and Verification of Woo Phenomena
1. String Theory
2. Relativity
3. Bohm's Implicate Order
3. A brain makes predictions based on stored knowledge
4. Brain is sensitive to resonance with quantum minutia (through synapses)
5. Sheldrake's Formative Causation
6. Mind is a weak non-entropy
7. Mental process actuates below Heisenberg's limit (see 3)
8. Start with woo and work backwards
I still think climbers are the ones to solve this, due to their fringe-riding of death-attractor event horizons (but at a much slower, contemplative speed than surfers or proximity flyers, etc....)
Am I really the only one on this whole thread who has tried to spew Gregory Bateson into the sprayfest?
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Jun 14, 2015 - 04:50pm PT
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But not the easiest thing to find.
Just paste the whole youtube url, delete the "http://" and the ".com" so you end up with "youtube=" and then the id code for the vid. Then put the whole thing in brackets [].
So it looks like this, without the spaces
[ youtube = 123xyz]
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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YEAH! i never saw that delete thing?!
THANKS
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 05:12pm PT
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Power wash your mind and empty it of all your material attachments.
Then you'll fully understand the mind, intelligence, ego and soul.
Instead the foolish rascal scientists constantly fill their minds with material attachments and become more and more bondage/attached to the gross material plane.
Thus brainwashed and bonded to the material plane they fall into the limited destructive world of gross materialism thinking it is all there is.
Thus they tax selves by amassing huge quantities of relative and or hypothetical truths and thus ultimately remain completely bewildered.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jun 14, 2015 - 05:13pm PT
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"Implicate order and explicate order are concepts coined by David Bohm to describe two different frameworks for understanding the same phenomenon or aspect of reality. He uses these notions to describe how the same phenomenon might look different, or might be characterized by different principal factors, in different contexts such as at different scales.
The implicate order, also referred to as the "enfolded" order, is seen as a deeper and more fundamental order of reality. In contrast, the explicate or "unfolded" order include the abstractions that humans normally perceive."
(Wiki)
JL brought this up before. Maybe it's the way to go.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
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Since everyone seems to be posting TED talks in order to demonstrate proper video posting technique, here is my contribution:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
I simply copy everything to the right of the = (equal sign) on the YouTube url then paste it into the "you tube video ID " field on the ST video submit page.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jun 14, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
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My favorite palate cleanser.
ENIGMAS
You've asked me what the lobster is weaving there with
his golden feet?
I reply, the ocean knows this.
You say, what is the ascidia waiting for in its transparent
bell? What is it waiting for?
I tell you it is waiting for time, like you.
You ask me whom the Macrocystis alga hugs in its arms?
Study, study it, at a certain hour, in a certain sea I know.
You question me about the wicked tusk of the narwhal,
and I reply by describing
how the sea unicorn with the harpoon in it dies.
You enquire about the kingfisher's feathers,
which tremble in the pure springs of the southern tides?
Or you've found in the cards a new question touching on
the crystal architecture
of the sea anemone, and you'll deal that to me now?
You want to understand the electric nature of the ocean
spines?
The armored stalactite that breaks as it walks?
The hook of the angler fish, the music stretched out
in the deep places like a thread in the water?
I want to tell you the ocean knows this, that life in its
jewel boxes
is endless as the sand, impossible to count, pure,
and among the blood-colored grapes time has made the
petal
hard and shiny, made the jellyfish full of light
and untied its knot, letting its musical threads fall
from a horn of plenty made of infinite mother-of-pearl.
I am nothing but the empty net which has gone on ahead
of human eyes, dead in those darknesses,
of fingers accustomed to the triangle, longitudes
on the timid globe of an orange.
I walked around as you do, investigating
the endless star,
and in my net, during the night, I woke up naked,
the only thing caught, a fish trapped inside the wind.
~Pablo Neruda
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jun 14, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
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Congratulations on your choice.
Some widely used palate cleansers are sorbet, bread, apple slices, and pickles.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 07:01pm PT
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"enfolded" order, is seen as a deeper and more fundamental order of reality.
i guess the "order" that's talkin about, is the order that sez how a Atom should react accordingly to it's environment? Earth has an environment that allows air breathing organism's. Suffice it to say, the encoded order of our DNA doesn't work on Mars. The flavor to our "pre-mordial soup" tastes of every ingredient from; the earth's diameter spin ratio, to the distance away from the Sun(compared to it's retaliative power output) and its speed of orbit, to having a moon, etc. The cells in man can not operate without the precise environment the Earth has maintained for 4 Bil yrs.
There must have been an enfolded order to the Earth before it acquired an atmosphere, what else would put it in it's place?
Man know's it takes a special environment for his body to thrive. A special order.
So the pertinent question here is whether or not that order was understood before the BB, or was it invented here on Earth by chance?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 14, 2015 - 07:25pm PT
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JL brought this up before. Maybe it's the way to go
maybe.
but just like the human body and mind works specific to earth's environment, yet we can wear a "costume" to walk on the moon. Who's to say an organism from a complete different environment couldn't put on a costume and walk around here? And so why not a Spirit alien??
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Ward, that works perfect.Thanks!
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 14, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
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Robots remain just that a dumb machine with no soul no matter how advance these materialistic fools make them.
You can kill any robot and never be charged for murder.
But kill a human being and the full wrath of the law will come down upon you for murder .....
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Jun 14, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
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Remember....
"Do unto other robots as you would have other robots do unto you."
-from the Book of Gludgi;
Chapter 12, Verse 17
(After the 2nd Android War).
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jun 15, 2015 - 07:00am PT
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If I were an AGI researcher I'd probably be bummed to have this cloud of doom and suspicion hanging indefinitely over my field of work.
Bostrom also gave a talk at google authors, avail at youtube.
I'd sure like to have the opportunity to see how things turned out for "the future of humanity" 100 yrs hence, 1000 yrs hence.
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Unbelievers (2013) is still avail at netflix. Watched it again over the weekend. I think I got more out of it this second time.
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