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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 14, 2016 - 06:45am PT
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Baby in the corner.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 14, 2016 - 06:51am PT
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I know that Poseltyzer was a new word for you. Now that you're getting with the rational mind, I suggest that you look up
Christian Apologist.
It's a thing. It's not really " I'm sorry for the Bible." It's more in-depth philosophically. You have a team. C.S. Lewis, for example. The Apologists aren't as smart as the rationalists but they're definitely smarter than you. You'll never catch us intellectually because we research your best thinkers while you guys keep looking for a glossary in the back of your funny little book-o'-lies.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Apr 14, 2016 - 07:04am PT
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A Boston Globe Story about Ted Cruz's Dad, Rafael Cruz.
He and his second wife, an American, eventually moved to Canada, where Ted Cruz was born in 1970. But Rafael Cruz, an alcoholic, abandoned his wife and toddler son and returned to Texas. It was there that he found God, leading him to reconcile with his family in 1975 and bringing them back to the United States.
By the time Ted Cruz was 9, his father was providing heavy doses of conservative Christian politics at the dinner table. By 13, the younger Cruz had memorized the Constitution and through high school toured the state of Texas, delivering speeches on free market economics and the Constitution- Boston Globe
I guess those of us that have led clean productive lives, but have not taken Jesus into our harts, have a one way ticket to hell.
Not so, if your one of the; "fuked, snorted, drank, smoked, cheated, stole everything in sight crowd". We all know these people or have them in our family- after fuking over enough people, they invariably end up as a wimpering, fetal train wreck. Of course it's not long before they are a poster child for the Born Again movement, boasting about their preferred status in the eyes of the lord. And because we can drink, have sex, smoke pot free of guilt, in a responsible manner, they're pissed....real pissed. Then the cycle of perpetual disfunction resets with the hate campaign.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 14, 2016 - 07:44am PT
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. And because we can drink, have sex, smoke pot free of guilt, in a responsible manner, they're pissed....real pissed. Then the cycle of perpetual disfunction resets with the hate campaign
The top right section is probably for the pot smokers.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Apr 14, 2016 - 07:57am PT
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damn patrick that's an awesome tattoo
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Apr 14, 2016 - 08:24am PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Apr 14, 2016 - 08:34am PT
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John M. Here you go. One Christian expressing heartfelt praise may well be another person's sycophant.
Mar 30, 2016 - 08:09pm PT
Thank you, Daniel.....you are doing well in your informed and kind responses here. Though I find myself at times, terribly unworthy to chime in, the bottom line is its all about the love that God has for all of us.
Thank you once again, Daniel.....you have been a huge blessing to my life, and that of my family. You and your wife, and your act of kindness and obedience to God, changed my daughter's life forever....and subsequently, all of ours. We are forever in your debt.
Mar 31, 2016 - 09:13pm PT
Props to you, Daniel!
You are living up to your namesake.
Don't you just feel like you are in a, Den of Lions?
;-)
I know your name is written in, HIS BOOK.
Mar 31, 2016 - 11:50pm PT
Keep up the great apologetics limpincrab. ST needs it.
Apr 2, 2016 - 09:22am PT
^ Concur.
Daniel has only been sharing his faith and answering questions. It is ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Some people appear unable to read and comprehend.
Apr 2, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
And hopefully one day you will meet some believers who more fully understand what it means that God is Love. Limpingcrab is I believe one of those. Patience and kindness are aspects of Love.
Apr 3, 2016 - 04:01pm PT
What Daniel has done by putting himself 'out there' in this thread, is very simple...he is obeying what is commonly referred to as the "Great Commission"....a calling that Christ implored to his disciples shortly before his ascension into heaven. That commission is simple.....to represent Christ in this world.
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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Apr 15, 2016 - 11:12am PT
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Here are some questions. Anybody can answer.
In your experience and opinion:
What are the benefits of punishment?
What are the benefits for you:
When you punish?
When you are punished?
What are the benefits for your children:
When you punish them?
When they punish you?
What are the benefits to society:
When society punishes you?
When someone punishes society?
What are the benefits to you when society punishes someone else?
What are the benefits to god when god punishes you?
What are the benefits to you, when god punishes you?
How have you personally decided when to punish others and when to forgive them?
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 15, 2016 - 09:03pm PT
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Timid toprope, in regards to your first and last post here. No matter who you are, God knows your heart. Some humans are so stuck in the box, putting others in the box and judging it is craZY. Making God into something He never wanted to be.
Put the human stuff aside, go to the places you find yourself, be still and you will find His incredible, unreasonable, grace and you will find him.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Apr 16, 2016 - 05:05am PT
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In the New Testament much is attributed to Jesus. Some of it sensible, some of it morally reprehensible, and some of it flat out wrong.
My question: what did Jesus tell us that we didn't already know?
And how has 2000 years of having this knowledge benefited Christian societies? No matter how you measure it, they are no better off than any other group.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 16, 2016 - 06:51am PT
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Why him? Does he have a big God-dong for mystical impregnations?
Sadly, all Y'alls minds are damaged from a life of fantastic imaginings. Once you lose grasp of the real world and your own natural senses, your mind will believe anything that stops the confusion.
Fantastic creation mythologies based in the suggestible minds of fearful children.
And if you think that Jesus is better than Coyote then you're just a creepy racist.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
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No matter who you are, God knows your heart.
It's not so much God that people have a problem with, it's the other people who learn to believe "(I know that) no matter who you are (my) God (who I know and you don't know) knows your heart." We humans can learn to believe the same thing about our skin color if that works to our advantage.
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Norton
Social climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:45pm PT
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Sorry, you simply can not have it both ways.
You cannot say that you believe all of the bible is the literal word of a supreme being.
Your position falls to pieces when you are confronted with those horrible sections of the bible where humans are told, commanded, to murder, rape, and enslave other humans. Any reasonably intelligent person knows that those passages were written down by men and not transcribed by the same god of the other sections of the bible.
Men of 2000 years ago in the middle east grew up watching their fathers and other men enslave, rape, and murder people. And when they grew up they had fully assimilated that methodology of living and wrote it down to pass onto others.
And at some point in the future some other men read that stuff and included it in what would later be called the bible.
A rational Christian, and there are many, simply ignores those sections of the bible, along with not fearing punishment for eating shellfish on certain days.
That Christian shrugs his shoulders when confronted with those glaring contraditions and knows deep down that a supposedly loving and forgiving god would not, did not,
command humans to rape, murder and enslave each other.
But the really dangerous Christians are the ones who insist in the all literal bible, and includes people like klimmer and limpingcrab, who have both denied on this forum the possibility of human involvement in the creation of the bible.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 16, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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But the really dangerous Christians are the ones who insist in the all literal bible
Again and again Norton your rudeness isn't eclipsed by your knowledge. Well "Literally" my bible says and i quote Exodus 21.1-2;
1 "Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them"(BTW, this is God answering Mosses' prayer asking for guidance concerning the spiritually rebellious Jews)
2 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing."
Norton, the key here is "IF"! God is saying If "YOU"(Jews, but Man in general) decide to take a slave these are My rules for it..
Your position falls to pieces when you are confronted with those horrible sections of the bible where humans are told, commanded, to murder, rape, and enslave other humans.
Seems your emotional insinuation is fueled by un-truths!
i'd advise, you revise
;)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 16, 2016 - 02:26pm PT
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, it's the other people who learn to believe "(I know that) no matter who you are (my) God (who I know and you don't know) knows your heart."
Rbord, it's a way of passing the faith! Afterall, i KNOW what God has done in my life, and i also KNOW what He has done in the lives of others as well. i know Him to be as intimate as to know how many hairs are on your head. Although His prime concern is the condition of your heart.
Ask Him your plausibility
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 16, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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Amen to whatever that was you said brother Blue!
Everyone needs their own, personal, jesus
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still waiting to hear if Jews go to hell.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 16, 2016 - 03:32pm PT
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which Jews?
The good jews, or the bad jews??
Could'ya think jesus accepting into heaven the Jewish Priests that condemded Him to death over Barnibus? i see a way it could be done. Remember jesus did redeem the thief minutes before his death..
Edit; vvv your right Lynne:)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 16, 2016 - 03:52pm PT
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7 Sacred Pools, what did jesus say specifically that was morally reprehensible? Curious......He was a first when it came to treating women well in a culture and time that did not.
Edit: BlueBlocr.....Barabbas.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 16, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
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Jim Brennan, thanks for the Thoreau. I really enjoyed it. It pretty much summarizes much of my life since my husband died and I have been on my own making my own choices. Cheers, lynne
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