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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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In response to jstan's question, Gregor Mendel was a Catholic monk (Augustinian to be exact)who did his pea genetics experiments in the monastary garden. He wasn't persecuted because the importance of his experiments were not recognized for 30 years and not incorporated into evolutionary theory until 50 years after his death.
There is evidence to suggest that Mendal became a monk because that was the only way he could get a university education, a common theme among bright people born into the lower classes in both Christian and Buddhist society in former times.
Interestingly, Frank Sacherer always said that if he could choose to be anyone in history, he would choose to be Mendal as that probably was the last example of someone who did cutting edge science and was able to retain his faith at the same time.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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It should be noted that Mendel was preceded by 12 millennia of similar experimenters who either had no means by which to record their results or had those records buried by time. Not to downgrade Mendel's meticulous contribution to modern genetics - much of which many churches today continue to refute.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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"Speaking of diversity, interesting differences in what constitutes Christ-like behavior among the believers here. On the positive example side, I give you Blue. On the negative example side....
“Christian in name but not action: a common affliction.”
“John, the pastor at the shelter, is a great example. He just quietly and gently goes about fighting the good fight, day by day. Few words, plenty action. Differences in belief among people mean little to him. I'm an atheist, he knows it, and he simply doesn't care."
The vehemence applied to all things religious:
"Inventing Perfect Man/God, then comparing yourself to Him is a great way to manufacture guilt - the lingua franca of Christianity. Another challis of original sin, anyone?"
...perhaps the result of anger and disappointment over a loss of something that was at one time profoundly comforting. That deeper structure of belief that somehow lingers, like a palimpsest of moral lessons, so that in the end Christ's influence becomes inescapable.
Nobody tells the story better than James Joyce in "Portrait of the Artist..." a fascinating read.
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jstan
climber
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You do good Jan. I could not locate Henig's "Monk in the Garden".
You really can't know the state of someone else's mind. Particularly when what they say affects their ability to get food. You can follow the dollars though.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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No, a liberal is a person who acts according to liberal values, regardless of where they hail from - secular humanism, religion, Buddhism, or no where in particular.
Furthermore, belief in God may be profoundly comforting to some, but not all. It made no sense to me, and therefore was dislocating rather than soothing. My life and actions improved after I left it by the wayside. I felt freed to explore the world as it is, and that was a wonderful and welcome change. One must try to be honest with oneself if one is to be honest with others.
We are all conflicted in some way - that's the nature of thinking beings, but I've not a shred of conflict in this department. And I'm not James Joyce. So there's that.
Assumption is a tool of the ignorant and the ego.
If you really want to know, ask.
It's actually not that difficult.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Assumption is a tool of the ignorant and the ego.
See what I mean...assumption is the tool of the Lord, just ask the BVM.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nice catch!
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WBraun
climber
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Newton also tried to turn lead into gold
He failed as the rest of the stupid mental speculator westerners.
They never listen to the guys that know how.
Instead the spend all their time guessing and experimenting.
Stupid egotistical westerner so called scientists.
Waste their time theorizing and guessing instead of reading the service manual.
"In the future we will know" .... is their loon mantra.
It's already revealed for millions of years and these loons looking everywhere but where they should be ......
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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good thing those stupid scientists invented the internet, eh?
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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The innernets? Good?
Like religion, like science some good, some... well... not so good.
Teenagers doing what they want, freed from the drudgery and boredom of someone imposing quality on their tender egos.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Do you know any of those kids personally? Do you know who they are and what they're all about?
Nup. Didn't think so.
Assumption Nation.
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WBraun
climber
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We do know what YOU are about Tvash.
And it's an unspeakable waste of time .......
Western scientist -- "“That there are many theories means we don’t have a clue”.
At least they're honest, unlike stuportopo Tvash, HFCS, etc kneejerk reactionaries ......
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Do you know any of those kids personally? Do you know who they are and what they're all about?
Yeah, they're all young nurses on their smartphones scheduling tickets for West Africa so they can fight the dreaded ebola...
I assume you can go with them if you want.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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They might be just that in 10 years. Or they might be out-painting the background. Or out-painting you, for that matter.
You don't really know, do you?
Nope. Glance > judge.
You miss a lot of good things that way. Real good things.
Beginner's Mind, etc.
As older folk, we can choose to tsk tsk kids because they're different from we were, or we can choose to engage and appreciate them. My experience has been overwhelming positive in that regard. I'm impressed when I compare them with my peers growing up. Very impressed.
Plus...they're kids. Let them be that.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Beginner's Mind, etc.
Ha, thankyou Master Po, I'll keep it in "mind."
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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One thing, that crap ain't good for their posture!
someone needs to tell them to Sit Up!
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nice....thanks! Now I can go read my biography of FDR.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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God does love ya, Blue
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 9, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
And it's an unspeakable waste of time .......
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