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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Nov 23, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
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Even sadder. Private entities contribute to over 90% to Wounded Warriors and their modern Prosthetic's. NOT the government. Now that is pathetic.
I will also take that as an apology for the bullshet desk boy comment.
Thanks.
Except you are not quoting me. ooops, as your Repub allies like to say....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 23, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
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Chiefy...Work...? Nobody mentioned that to me..? WTF..!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 23, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
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You can't read either.. typical/nice.
I vote Democrat.
guess I am the only one who knew that?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 23, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
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100,000 Hispanics reach voting age every month
not correct, your source?
FACT:
Pew estimates that 66,000 Latinos turn 18 and over 100,000 elderly (and more conservative) Americans die every month. That means that by 2016, there will be about three million more voting-age Latinos and about five million fewer elderly voters. And that's going to be the case whether we get comprehensive immigration reform or not.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/11/1168990/-The-GOP-s-lose-lose-dilemma-on-immigration
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 23, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
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Most will pay the penalty and not get insurance. Watch!
a prediction, or wishful thinking?
the tax is only $95, for the entire year of 2014 and not payable until April of 2015
yes there will some, maybe many, who chose to be deadbeats and not pay a monthly premium,
which only serves to weaken the overall pools
taking personal responsibility is about being an adult, we are all in this together, the sick need
the healthy is how the private health insurance market works
everyone single policy gets "cancelled" on Dec 31 of each year, with a good chance one gets a letter saying no, you cost us some money last year and so we are not going to offer you a policy
and IF we do offer you a policy, you can bet is is going to cost 40% more than last year
and that is exactly why so many of us simply cannot afford healthcare, because the healthy
are not members of the pools
which is why Mitt Romney required the Individual Mandate as governor of Mass.
you remember him, the guy you voted for?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Nov 23, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
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Chief,
you are a smart guy, and I know you have read the ACA, all of it as I have
otherwise you would not be commenting of what you would be ignorant of, that is not you
the fact is that too damn many people were buying those $50/month policies and believing they just got a "really good deal" and actually had hospitalization and major medical, when they did NOT
people are lazy, naive, and "trust" and decidedly do not take personal responsibility to actually read their policy and know what is covered and what is not
and those people were way too often wiped out, bankrupt, when their cheapy policies did not pay for hardly anything more than routine doctor visit and prescription drugs with co pays
that all stops now, or at least a year from now
secondly, those people buying the cheapies are exactly those people who don't make much money, are very likely to qualify for the subsidies, and will end up being much better off,
both in the quality of coverage and likely for even the same cheap ass payment, or damn
close too it
period, and you know all this from reading the ACA rather than assuming without knowledge
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 23, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
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So, Lois....why'd you choose the avatar 'J.Shiloh', anyway?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 23, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
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jghedge wrote:
Hillary 2016.
If anyone ever qualified as America's ex-wife... Just sayin.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 23, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
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C'mon, Lois...why the 'J.Shiloh' avatar?
Interesting choice.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Nov 23, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
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My name is not Lois; it is Gabriel. I can assure you that everything I told you in my post is all quite true.
Bullshit and f*#k you, Lois. You are a f*#king fungus, a plague, a total pain in the ass and one of the most objectionable posters on a site that is filled with as#@&%es (me included). You have been banned multiple times because you are unable to contain yourself; if allowed to stay, you will soon be making 50-plus posts a day and infecting climbing threads with your mindless drivel. Take a hint - Go Away!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 23, 2013 - 07:06pm PT
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that is sad.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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Oh, Looooooo - isssssss...
Where'd the 'J.Shiloh' thang come from?
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
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The Affordable Veterinary Act: If you like your testicles you can keep them! Period.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
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Born in Newark, Ohio, in 1851 as John Joseph Klem, he ran away from home at age 10 after his mother died, to become a Union Army drummer boy.
A popular legend suggests that Clem served as a drummer boy with the Michigan at the Battle of Shiloh. The legend suggests that he came very near to losing his life when a fragment from a shrapnel shell crashed through his drum, knocking him unconscious, and that subsequently his comrades who found and rescued him from the battlefield nicknamed Clem "Johnny Shiloh."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Clem
So you fancy yourself something of a Union Drummer boy, Lois?
Interesting choice. More details, please.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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You can only keep your testicles if you pay out the ass for ACA and Obama allows it.
Oh, wait. He does not allow anything; he has people that do that and takes no responsibility for his policies. Give the government your money.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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Lois, why do you insist on coming back when the owners of this site have made it clear that you are not welcome? Please, enlighten me.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
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back on the subject at hand.
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
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Lois, why won't you answer my question?
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Nov 23, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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Health care in the country sucks!!!!
$$$$$$$
Blame the insurance companies for the the problems before and after
The Affordable Health Care Act.
The lawerers too.
Greed, greed and more greed!
Bottom line $$$$$$
that's america!
Aren't you proud?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 23, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
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You know what you're really bitching about? Adult-Level Responsibility. You think it's unfair that people have to be responsible for themselves and for their kids.
Pretty disingenuous, coming from you. Seems like whenever I talk about people being responsible for their own life choices, you accuse me of being selfish. LOL
YOU talking about "adult-level responsibility" is like O.J. Simpson talking about his hunt for the "real killer." The policies YOU espouse shield people from the consequences of their choices. And neither you nor anybody else can fairly and properly differentiate between the "worthy poor" and those that are suffering the effects of their choices and priorities.
Just yesterday I passed a corner that ALWAYS has "homeless people" standing around begging for spare change (or more). Of special note to me is how MANY of them smoke and have at least a dog with them (virtually all). Yesterday's case was quite different! This was a working-age couple that were vigorously walking around to actively solicit passing cars. And they had not only an 80-pound dog with them but a cat on the woman's shoulders as well. AND (it goes without saying) both were smoking.
Sorry, but you just CANNOT get me all worked up with sympathy for the "health care plight" of such people (and these are just exemplars of millions). And I'm not being "selfish" for insisting on "adult-level responsibility" for able-bodied people that can afford (expensive) cigarettes (that are actually killing them on OUR dime!) as well as both dog AND cat food (expensive, as any pet owner can tell you). Explain to me EXACTLY what "moral responsibility" I have to "protect" this couple from the consequences of THEIR life-choices and priorities.
Multiply this story by millions, throw in a heaping helping of kids, and you have about the furthest thing from "adult-level responsibility" as you can possibly imagine.
And, remember, I grew up surrounded by this very type, so don't even try to float the limp rag that such people are the exceptions. By and large, people are reaping what they've sown. They've squandered opportunities and taken easy paths filled with no impulse control and instant gratification. Watch the first ten minutes of Idiocracy, and you'll see the direction of this nation. And it's about the furthest thing from "adult-level responsibility" imaginable.
Look, Joe, you can spout all your "high-minded," liberal crap; and it just rolls off my shoulders, because I know you cannot do otherwise. You're a product of your times, and you honestly THINK you are being principled. I get all that. And, as I've repeated, I'm all in favor of a properly-funded single-payer system, because I recognize that this country is headed for the toilet... so to me it's critical to find pragmatic "solutions" to at least keep the handle from being pulled!
But what you DON'T get to do without being called on it is to spout off lines like "adult-level responsibility," when you have exactly ZERO commitment to that principle and what it implies. Oh, no! You are FAR too "humane" for that. So, be "humane," but quit making it sound like it's consistent with principled, individual responsibility. THAT you have abandoned.
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