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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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there is a blue diamond in the upper left, and its crystal like lenses - just like my dream. Also something I did not share, in my dream matt was holding a crystal in his hand - look at the hiker holding the stick.
I blew these up on my bog screen, they look EXACTLY like matts - WHERE IS CRAGMAN!
~ Ron
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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
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Wouldn't his friend, Jill, know if he wore Chums on his glasses?
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
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I just called Jill - went to VM ~ Ron
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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x1n54n3x,
I'd go retrieve those glasses ASAP I think you found Matt's glasses.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
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Fair enough chance they may be. At least enough chance that it is worth getting them into the investigation properly. Call 911 go guard them and wait for sheriff. Don't handle them any more please.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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x1n54n3x
EXCELLENT!!!!!!! [edit] By chance did you happen to notice if the chums looked relatively new?
All,
I took the photo of Matt from Facebook and opened it in Photoshop. I zoomed into about 300% (until the image got too blurry). Had a couple of folks look at the image with me and honestly we are on the fence. The image when zoomed....the frame at the top of the glasses and metal for the bridge of the nose looks a little different.
I went to the flicker page to see if there were other photos with Matts glasses (http://www.flickr.com/groups/findmattgreene/); I found this image:
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/tdavidock/9446013683/sizes/k/in/pool-2303817@N22/ I could not pull the image into photoshop because it is protected, but I zoomed in. This image is better....looks very similar to the pictures posted above. Does any of Matts climbing friends know if he uses chums?
(FYI) The glasses should be left where they were found as they may be potential evidence or belong to another hiker. If the family believes those are Matts glasses the MLPD needs to be called ASAP.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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If you get those glasses to an optician, they can tell you what the prescription is for comparison to Matt's. I'd also avoid touching them, put them in a paper bag in case there are fingerprints or DNA tone gathered. Get them to the cop shed.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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Note the blue diamond above the glasses on the tree as a marker.
I think you're right. Matt was telling you where to look.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
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I spoke with Alex, he is bringing them to detective Hornbeck now. We will look for fingerprints, secure them, etc...~ Ron
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
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i am sure there are other local resources...i founded the Inyo County SCUBA SAR team years ago...but we can volunteer a team of professional divers, including surface supplied air for long searches with AquaMask communications and dry suits for very cold water
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
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@ TOM - I spoke with Alex, the person who found them. Probability is very high they are Matts. All things fit. When do we go? ~ Ron
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RM217
climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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I had PM Tiffany earlier RE: My dream...
I am not a psychic, nor have I ever pretended to be nor have I ever wanted to be. I don't even read horoscopes. I have had some strange dreams in the past, that have come to pass... and it has really freaked me out. A couple of weeks ago, I had a dream about Matthew (although he was never in the dream, but I knew it was about him - just the overwhelming feeling I had about the dream). And I'm not a "crazy" person and I live a normal (not paranormal) life.
Anyway - my dream was this:
I was looking through a window (glass) and I saw a tree of many leaves. It appeared as though it was one tree with a variety of leaves/needles. It was very vivid. To the upper left, there was a shiny blue diamond (as in diamond shape, not diamond ring). It was light blue - like the color of the sky, not a dark blue. The tree was large in my view and the diamond was very small in comparison to the tree.
I discounted the dream and told myself I was absolutely nuts and my imagination was just running away with itself. Then I got another confirmation, that gave me goosebumps. Which was a blue diamond that shown through an unsettled sky. It was for an instant and gone.
Today, I learned the family had used a psychic and felt very compelled to PM Tiffany, which I did. And then I found out that her husband also dreamed of a blue crystal/diamond-shaped.
And then I logged on here and saw all photo of the "glasses" and every element of my dream was in the picture. It was eerie to say the least. Looking through the glass and seeing the reflection of the trees and the small blue diamond in the picture... Really strange.
And... then a little while later, I found out a former student of Matthew Greene (at Nazareth) also dreamed of Matt - sliding down a hill, on his rear, feet first, and coming to rest by a blue crystal.
I don't know what this my all means - I don't want to send anyone on any wild goose chases. Is it a coincidence? I'd prefer to think of it as Divine Intervention... but, I just don't know....???
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
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Wow this is amazing! Any chance in contacting Matts local eye doctor to pull his records (prescription, brand etc...) so local optometrist can match? Arg...didn't realize how late it is back in PA.
Sending positive vibes and prayers!
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mattyj
Mountain climber
Truckee
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
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Deep breath, everyone.
While it's a promising lead that deserves further investigation, my (albeit, limited) experience is that anyone who expects law enforcement to roll in code 3 and immediately start swabbing those things for DNA is probably going to be disappointed.
Among the basic questions that need to be answered before getting too excited:
- Are there higher resolution versions of the photos posted to Facebook? I agree that it looks like there are some differences, but it's impossible to tell with the resolution / compression of the FB images.
- Can Matt's glasses be accounted for among his belongings?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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I don't know what this my all means - I don't want to send anyone on any wild goose chases. Is it a coincidence? I'd prefer to think of it as Divine Intervention... but, I just don't know....???
RM217,
Thanks for posting that. I've had experiences like this from dreams myself, and it is G-d's intervention to solve this mystery and to help Matt's loved ones and his friends. Thank you for sharing that. Baruch HaShem.
HaShem does indeed send us dreams with specific purposes and meaning ...
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-dream-interpretation.html
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x1n54n3x
Boulder climber
mammoth lakes
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
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Just got back. The glasses are with the MLPD. Hornbeck wasn't in the office, but they were left with officer Hugelman. He, as well as the other officer present, agreed that they looked strikingly similar to the ones pictured on facebook. I'm not sure if SAR will be notified right away, but if anyone in the Mammoth/June/Eastern Sierra would like to go out first thing in the morning, I'm more than willing to show everything I've seen today.
The water is a fairly opaque blue, so any evidence that is submerged will need diving assistance/personel. I can't imagine the water is too cold as the elevation is relatively low for the area. I'm also unsure as to how deep the water is. I do know the level has only fluctuated about 1-2.5 ft since the spring.
This trail is less than a mile long and VERY easy to locate. Getting to the crater is not a risk to search efforts whatsoever. The inside of the crater is slightly more dangerous, as I cannot determine the stability of the rock walls on my own. I would not touch anything steeper than the easiest slope I used to enter the crater. The rocks, from experience in the winter time, are not secure and tend to break away from the mountainside.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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while this doesn't add much to what's already been said, there's no question the proportions of the glasses are very similar to those on the facebook photo even if the resolution and difference in angles means it's impossible to be 100% certain.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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Aug 23, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
the glasses seem different- the cross bar between the eyes looks Gold on Matts,, black on the pair found..??
Ron,
I would disagree. The glasses Matt is wearing, they seem black to me with slight light hi-light. Look at the black frames. There is light hi-light also yet they are black.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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I am working with the FB image to see if I can increase the image without losing the resolution. I have Photoshop and some other tools. If I am successful I will post the results.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Aug 23, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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we're checking out the altitude tables (decompression requirements are very different than sea level)
anybody know the lake depth and surface altitude?
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