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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 27, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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Yes, Chaz, instead of 'assault weapons', the media should take a sentence to describe them each time.
Certain guns arbitrarily put on a list by the ATF because of their combination of rapid fire, high-velocity and other characteristics.
Is that better?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 27, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
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What's considered "rapid" ?
What's considered "high" ?
Who decides, and what criteria do the deciders use?
If I told you a revolver is faster shooting than an automatic, what yould you think about that?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 27, 2012 - 06:56pm PT
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Chaz, note the word 'arbitrary'.
Sometimes grownups have to make arbitrary decisions, otherwise we would be paralyzed by minutia.
We have had two such bans. The expired domestic one, and the import ban. It's not that hard. Sure there are loopholes but trying to make perfection and universal consensus as the standard is just trying to get in the way.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 27, 2012 - 06:56pm PT
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My AK shoots a lot slower than most hunting rifles that you can purchase as semi automatic, with 10rnd magazines that can be removed, and have scopes already mounted on them when purchased.
So.... what's the problem?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
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"Chaz, note the word 'arbitrary'."
Do you want to see your fundamental Constitutional rights be modified away by an arbitrary decision made by some political hack who will never himself have to abide by the consequences of his decision?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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You guys obviously got the NRA memo. When someone says 'assault weapon' try to put the discussion in an endless loop of definition.
The list has been made several times. It's arbitrary and tries to cover as much of the problem. Even a republican president supported one.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
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NRA memo?
The NRA are those crazy gun nuts who I worry about.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
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Arbitrary is right.
The ban back in '94 included some box fed semi-auto 5.56mm rifles because of how they looked, while others (like the Mini 14) were not because they had wood stocks.
The mayor of NYC tried to ban "black" rifles.
They started making pink ARs as a joke.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
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Lol, Ron, pink rifles, I love it.
The reason in California, for banning "assault" weapons as you put it, is because the North Hollywood shootout outgunned the police.
They didn't want to be outgunned again, so instead of not only getting .45's, and carrying 5.56 ar15's in their trunk, they banned "assault rifles".
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
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Getting pumped turning the pages in my new Central Montana climbers guide. I'll be in Black Leaf Canyon tomorrow.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
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Be an adult Jody, there are grey lines everywhere.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
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Hmmm. I must have learned wrong.
Thanks for the clarification. :) I'll have to look into the 1989 stockton shooting.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
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Assault Rifle; term coined by Adolph Hitler in 1943, sturmgewehr means "storm rifle".
The first, the MP44 used one of the first "intermediate" rounds, the 7.92x 33mm Kurz.
The world's most ubiquitous assault rifle, the AK47, likewise uses a 7.62x 39mm cartridge.
Designed for combat, they utilize an assortment of operating systems to harness part of the round's energy to eject the spent case and strip a fresh round from the magazine deployed for immediate fire.
They are characterized by robust nature, detachable magazines, and sufficiently tame recoil to allow for accurate rapid (if not full auto) fire.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
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I thought I was posting on Jaybro's Aeorbic thread...I'll be on the border of the Bob Marshall Wilderness on Thursday......multi pitch limestone I am told.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
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I'm gonna go climb on some plastic. See ya monday!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
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One of these was banned by the now expired 1994 Clinton "Assault Weapon" ban, and one was not...
Can you tell which is which?
According to the '94 Federal definition, one of these is NOT and "assault weapon".
Do you know why?
EDIT: Come on people, if you are going use term "assault weapon", you should at least know what the Feds actually banned in the '94 law and what is still currently banned, with a few additions, in California.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 27, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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How many of those do you lug with you? (hehe)
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 27, 2012 - 08:32pm PT
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Hey, if that's what works for you...
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 27, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
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UN arms treaty takes shape, raising alarm among gun rights advocates
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/25/un-treaty-takes-shape-and-takes-aim-at-gun-owners/
I hope they pass this and get some control over the international arms trade, at least. In Colombia Galil has a factory, and the army is standardized on Galils. The FARC have AKs and AKMs, smuggled out of central america after the wars in the 80s. The paramilitary gangs have mostly M-16s. Luckily it stops about there. If the FARC had RPGs we'd be in serious trouble.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 27, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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That's a good idea.
We can model this *control* effort after the War On Drugs, seeing how that's been so successful.
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