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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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A prominent Squamish environmentalist has resigned her post as chair of a local conservation society to publicly oppose a proposal to build a gondola over Stawamus Chief Park.
Meg Fellowes, a former Squamish district councillor, resigned as chair of the Squamish Environment Society — which has not taken a position on the gondola proposal — last week. Fellowes said in a statement she plans to refocus her efforts on lobbying the provincial government to hold a public hearing on the proposal, joining forces with the grassroots group Friends of the Squamish Chief, which has launched an online petition to that effect. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Squamish+environmentalist+resigns+post+oppose+gondola+project/6570231/story.html#ixzz1u1fD0NF4
Only 58 posts to go. HF and BK between them should be good for 30, DH another five.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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I'm making an effort not to subject the masses to my endless stream of consciousness. I have a one foot long chunk of inch and a half cable in my garage which I'm offering up as a prize for the lucky 1000th poster.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are things at play right now that put this gondola thing into proper perspective, that is if you care to look.
I'm sorry Bruce, but my religion -- which requires me to oppose removal of land from Parks no matter what the local circumstances -- does not require me to oppose the transshipment of US coal through Canadian ports. So I don't care about that.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Environmental Issues? I guess so but I believe the key players in the 70's who harvested the whole basin were named Sthil and Husqvarna. Those two guys had a lasting effect on the environment up there when they cut it down and strapped it on the back of a thousand logging trucks.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Oh geeze Bruce.... China only burns 8 billion tonnes of coal per year. I wonder how much dirty diesel the tankers burn getting the coal to the church on time. Still a little early on sunday morning but I'm thinking they use about one million tonnes/hour of coal. There's a depressing soundbyte. Still a mere 10,000 railcars/hour of coal consumed, 24-7. Just for Ed, cause I know he's a number guy, that's a whopping 80 miles of railcars/hr. I guess you could say railcars of coal get consumed at a rate of 80 mph, just to keep it simple. 2 railcars of coal per second; that is a lot of energy.
I guess that might generate a little heat, so to speak.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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You're right, she is lovely. I can't stay up late, messes me up.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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You two are hilarious. Hamish it didn't take you long to get addicted to super duper topo.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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O.K., we're leaving the compost heap and moving to Vegas. Do they have water there?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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What are the ski touring options from the top of the proposed gondola?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Below treeline, there are trees. Above treeline, it's fairly rocky and often steep. I'd say that the possibilities for backcountry skiing there are limited. A bit of ski mountaineering may be possible on Goat Ridge, but it wouldn't be easily reached from the upper terminal. The upper Shannon Creek basin, doesn't seem well suited to cross country skiing, either. Too low for reliably decent conditions, and maybe a bit too hilly.
As with the gondola itself, the possibilities are overshadowed by better options not much further up the highway.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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How about an "alpine slide" down from the top station? Re-live the logging sluiceway descents of days gone by.
Maybe a zip line? Barrel rolling off Shannon Falls?
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Saugy
Mountain climber
BC
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Up on the Bulletheads today with my lovely wife, and all I could think about was that there could be one day an amusement park(ing lot)down below and a tram chugging uphill (and down) right thru my sightlines, and very close by...as I sat..
imagine this pic full of parking lot and gondola
..and this one further uphill
This aspect gives us about 18% traffic and road noise, the other 82% pristine (more or less) parkland, and peace.
Lets keep it that way...peace. Don
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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about 20 odd years ago there was a move made to have the local rifle range shut down so that a few scruffy crags could be free to be grid bolted for the entitled lycra wearing navel gazers.
A cliff that the one climber who promoted access to it called the Art Gallery, and everyone else calls the Shooting Gallery. He was disappointed when the Access Society wouldn't go to bat for him. (The shooting range had been there for decades.)
Hardly in the same vein as a highly intrusive and seemingly marginal gondola, of course.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Geeze Bruce (again), the poll may say 78% against but when the total number of votes cast is 56, well, you get the picture.
Furthermore, it'll be a bright day for Squampton when they move that shooting range far out into the sticks. I believe that was a Lonsdale-Legacy.
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MH2
climber
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Saw you out there, Saugy. A sunny quiet reasonably dry day.
There's enough hardware now around Cream of White Mice they could string the gondola on that.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Was that the crag known as the "art gallery" Bruce?
I could see how guns won the battle vs Lycra in this town, no contest there.
In search of a 1000 I guess I will sprinkle a little more pessimism on the pot.
Maybe the gondola developers should try a new angle & make it a tram accessed hunting area, you could shoot sh1t up there & hang it off the gondy to bleed out on the way down. Or maybe they could rent chainsaws & tourons could go & cut their first tree down??!
These guys are going to need realistic ideas of potential revenue streams to keep from going out of biz since right now they only have one guaranteed - a sightseeing gondola with a 1 km "interpretive" loop trail & what will likely be an overpriced ball park concession- that is currently the only guarantee. No skiing, mountain biking, road access, or trail systems that will not leech off the already gangbanged backside trail are going to happen since those ideas are just massive speculations that we have created on this thread among other places, the media has came up with some good stuff as well. All nice thoughts & I'm sure the developers love it that we & many others have speculated some sort of recreational utopia up there but lets get real- if built this gondola is going to be to gondolas what chances bingo hall is to casinos- Super welly & good for nothing but a place to take a crap on your way out climbing(yes Bruce I know the patio is nice but the glorified bingo hall casino with no actual gaming tables is a joke- they are barely in biz still I hear). A gondola to a cut block that is not even a summit yet with no purpose except sight seeing will be of similar quality & value IMO.
Edit- just saw MH post saying the name of the shooting gallery
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Ryan has a firm grip on reality.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Just for the record, the only reason I'd like the gun club to move further into the sticks is due to the noise polution, especially when they train with their automatics. They're just too close to the burbs. How about in behind the dump, no one lives out there and the noise of the river can cover up the gunfire.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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The poll is showing 73% opposed! What could be the explanation?
Age, the posters here all worried about wheel chair and disabled access for a reason...its imminent :)
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