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michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 07:31pm PT
Autopsy: Drug THC found in Trayvon Martin's system

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
Fattrad, do you remember the case of a man shooting a burgular after warning him repeatedly 10-15 times in about 5 minutes that he was going to shoot the guy, then being arrested?

Elk Grove, CA

3 guys breaking to a car

owner comes out, asks them to leave

2 leave, 1 stays

He says he's going to go grab his gun

The guy says fine, do it

The owner goes to get his gun

Comes back, and warns him again,

The guy doesn't leave

The owner shoots him with a .22

The owner gets arrested for attempted murder, or aggravated assault, or etc.

All those violent weed heads. What is your point?

Sometimes weed makes your judgement unclear, and sometimes gives you invincible powers. Haven't you ever toked then decided to on sight 5.8 slab that you have to down climb later?


michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
Fattrad, i'm no lawyer-

Would it be illegal for the owner to go up and push the guy away from his car? Or is that also illegal?
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Who's that?

I don't get it.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
I think he shot him in the foot. Oh well.

I live in an Iraqi style compound.

The only thing close to a break in we've had is the next door neighbor kid thought it'd be a good idea to take a taxi from jail to his house, run away without paying the fare, and hiding behind my apartment under our Kayak.



, I don't need your help, Jesus.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
, I DO need your help, Jebus.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
merced, california
May 17, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
Crimpergirl, you paid attention to the lead-off question.

"Terrible law."

Me too.

No real discussion needed.

You like

Unlike

edit: Tradman, are you still sick of this thing? Sicker?
I hope not. I got to go puke, myself.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 17, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
Do you have unlimited texting?
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
May 17, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
I guess we'll never know about zman's drug use, since although he had just killed someone he wasn't tested. Steroids?

Some things that experts like fattrad know, but I didn't, from the article.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report

Concentrations of THC routinely rise to 100 to 200 ng/ml after marijuana use, though it typically falls to below 5 ng/ml within three hours of it being smoked, according to information on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's website.


He also noted levels of THC, which can linger in a person's system for days, can spike after death in certain areas of the body because of redistribution.

While some states have zero-tolerance policies for any drug traces for driving while impaired, others set certain benchmarks, the website of California's Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs notes. In Nevada, that equates to 2 ng/ml for THC and 5 ng/ml for THC-COOH -- also known as marijuana metabolite. The cutoff level in Ohio is 2 ng/ml for THC and 50 ng/ml for THC-COOH.
zBrown

Ice climber
Chula Vista, CA
May 17, 2012 - 10:23pm PT
This will clearly be a case where "I fought the law and and I won".

You'll be breakin' rocks in the hot sun.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/stand-ground-legal-defenses-worked-florida-cases-where-183345434.html

This is what I was alludeing to in my OP. I am sympathetic to a stand you ground law in theory but certainly not if in practice if it lets murders go free.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Jun 5, 2012 - 08:33am PT
Zimmerman seems to have issues with truth.

George Zimmerman's latest entanglement with law enforcement was a "mistake" and "has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair," his attorney said in a statement Monday...

The latest comments from his attorney, Mark O'Mara, come on the heels of Zimmerman's return to jail after a judge revoked his bond. Zimmerman had been free and in hiding while awaiting trial.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said at a hearing Friday that Zimmerman had falsely represented his financial state when the $150,000 bond amount was granted.

Zimmerman's wife had testified in April that the couple had limited funds, but prosecutors came across recorded jailhouse calls between them in which they discussed donations from a website the family had set up to fund Zimmerman's defense. That website had apparently raised more than $200,000.

The defense — in the most passive of passive voices — now says Zimmerman "allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court" and that he knows it was a mistake.

"The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversations while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website," O'Mara's office said in a statement. "We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust and confusion."

It's a painful acknowledgement for the defense that backs up what many legal experts had speculated — that if it appears Zimmerman lied about his money, then his credibility could be at risk in trial.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-zimmermans-lawyer-undermined-credibility-20120604,0,5710222.story
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Jun 21, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
zimmermans account...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jun 23, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
George Zimmerman's wife charged with perjury
(June 13, 2012)


http://www.tampabay.com/incoming/george-zimmermans-wife-charged-with-perjury/1235046

"If Mrs. Zimmerman intentionally structured the financial transactions in a manner to keep the offense under $10,000, not only may she have committed perjury in the state case, but she also may have run afoul of several federal statutes and could face serious federal criminal charges,"
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jul 6, 2012 - 11:40am PT
Judge declares it's a sin to tell a lie.

Don't pass go, no free get outa jail. Don't hide your passport.


In his order, the judge accused Zimmerman of committing a new felony — lying while providing evidence about bail — and hinted that he might be the subject of future contempt proceedings.

Lester was troubled, he wrote, that Zimmerman and his wife hid the money and that George Zimmerman had, until recently, a second, undisclosed passport.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-06/news/os-george-zimmerman-prepares-to-leave-jail-20120706_1_murder-defendant-new-felony-george-zimmerman
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 19, 2012 - 04:22pm PT
Sociopath? Hardly. The other stuff? Perhaps.

From what little I can tell from the interview I'd say he's just a garden variety simpleton stuck in an unfortunate series of events. Bad decisions were made on both sides but in end someone brought a pistol to a boxing match and we know what happens then.

The whole interview with the parents of the kid he shot is just for show. The shooter clearly isn't too bright and hasn't been coached very well on what to say. Why would someone apologize for killing someone they were truly afraid of and getting beaten by? They wouldn't. Yet the whole premise of the article is that he's not begging the parents for forgiveness.

Real sociopaths generally do not call 911 and report suspicious behavior and then remain on the call while they plan to beat and murder somebody.

The only thing he's guilty of is getting out of his car to play detective. With no non-lethal weapons on him (mace/stun gun/baton) his choice to pursue a suspected criminal alone was obviously the wrong one. Once getting the sh#t kicked out of him his choices boiled down to continue getting beaten or killed or to shoot.

It doesn't matter if Trayvon was or wasn't a thug or had THC in his system. It doesn't matter why Zimmerman decided to play detective or was a founding member of the West Coast Nazi party.

All that matters was what happened when each guy got within fist throwing range. Who threw the first punch? From the physical evidence that seems pretty clear to me.

Unfortunate bad decisions on each side. But I don't see a real case for a sociopath or truly "evil" behavior in either one.
Gary

climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
Jul 19, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
All that matters was what happened when each guy got within fist throwing range. Who threw the first punch? From the physical evidence that seems pretty clear to me.

It does?
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jul 19, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
It does?

Your killing a person who is defending themself from you because you started a fight with them is not acceptable. On the other hand, killing someone who attacks you first is acceptable and is considered self defense.

It matters a lot who starts it.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 19, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
Doesn't meet the threshold for lethal force even if Martin approached him.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jul 19, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
The physical evidence shows Martin landed his blows, not whether he instigated or not.
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